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Originally Posted by: chronovisor ![Go to Quoted Post Go to Quoted Post](/Themes/BlackGrey/icon_latest_reply.png) The answer is that it is a shortcut of the 12'' with the missing beat at the beginning. Not a particularly useful description. What does "the missing beat" mean?
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Originally Posted by: Mr Discography ![Go to Quoted Post Go to Quoted Post](/Themes/BlackGrey/icon_latest_reply.png) Originally Posted by: chronovisor ![Go to Quoted Post Go to Quoted Post](/Themes/BlackGrey/icon_latest_reply.png) The answer is that it is a shortcut of the 12'' with the missing beat at the beginning. Not a particularly useful description. What does "the missing beat" mean? I’m hazarding a guess but one of the pressings of Blue Monday had a missing beat right at the start and the Polish 7” edit was sourced from that version ?
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Originally Posted by: Fotz ![Go to Quoted Post Go to Quoted Post](/Themes/BlackGrey/icon_latest_reply.png) Originally Posted by: Mr Discography ![Go to Quoted Post Go to Quoted Post](/Themes/BlackGrey/icon_latest_reply.png) Originally Posted by: chronovisor ![Go to Quoted Post Go to Quoted Post](/Themes/BlackGrey/icon_latest_reply.png) The answer is that it is a shortcut of the 12'' with the missing beat at the beginning. Not a particularly useful description. What does "the missing beat" mean? I’m hazarding a guess but one of the pressings of Blue Monday had a missing beat right at the start and the Polish 7” edit was sourced from that version ? Again, still not a particularly helpful description. Anywhere on YouTube anyone can point to with a vinyl grab, or at the very least a reproduction of what this version sounded like? One of the disappointing things about last year's PCL boxset was the absence of any Blue Monday 7" edits.
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Originally Posted by: Mr Discography ![Go to Quoted Post Go to Quoted Post](/Themes/BlackGrey/icon_latest_reply.png) Originally Posted by: Fotz ![Go to Quoted Post Go to Quoted Post](/Themes/BlackGrey/icon_latest_reply.png) Originally Posted by: Mr Discography ![Go to Quoted Post Go to Quoted Post](/Themes/BlackGrey/icon_latest_reply.png) Originally Posted by: chronovisor ![Go to Quoted Post Go to Quoted Post](/Themes/BlackGrey/icon_latest_reply.png) The answer is that it is a shortcut of the 12'' with the missing beat at the beginning. Not a particularly useful description. What does "the missing beat" mean? I’m hazarding a guess but one of the pressings of Blue Monday had a missing beat right at the start and the Polish 7” edit was sourced from that version ? Again, still not a particularly helpful description. Anywhere on YouTube anyone can point to with a vinyl grab, or at the very least a reproduction of what this version sounded like? One of the disappointing things about last year's PCL boxset was the absence of any Blue Monday 7" edits. How can I describe it...well, I think one version ( that I don’t have ) starts with just one “duh” beat before the machine gun duh-duh-duh-duh-duh whereas the regular version has 2 “duh” before the rapid fire . Or is it vice versa? Anyway, something like that. Actually, why should I make the effort to explain it? Chronovisor is the one who couldn’t be arsed to explain it in the first place and told half a story so why should I bother? Edited by user 25 April 2021 11:54:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mr Discography ![Go to Quoted Post Go to Quoted Post](/Themes/BlackGrey/icon_latest_reply.png) Originally Posted by: chronovisor ![Go to Quoted Post Go to Quoted Post](/Themes/BlackGrey/icon_latest_reply.png) The answer is that it is a shortcut of the 12'' with the missing beat at the beginning. Not a particularly useful description. What does "the missing beat" mean? Explanation: The original UK version was mastered and cut on 5 occasions: One of the original editions misses the first 2 beats of the 16-bar intro being cut off due to a mastering error: FAC-73-A-1 MT. STRAWBERRY OUT VOTED! // FAC-73-B-1 MT. HO.EL+TEL! STRAWBERRY (runoff space 0,8 cm // 1,6 cm) And from this cut stated above the polish 7'' www.discogs.com/New-Orde...s-Like-Us/release/229706 and the polish single disc jockey limited edition 7'' www.discogs.com/Franek-K...e-Monday/release/1245059 were made from. Edited by user 25 April 2021 22:22:20(UTC)
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So does this version just fade out early, or are there any other edits within it?
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Originally Posted by: chronovisor ![Go to Quoted Post Go to Quoted Post](/Themes/BlackGrey/icon_latest_reply.png) Originally Posted by: Mr Discography ![Go to Quoted Post Go to Quoted Post](/Themes/BlackGrey/icon_latest_reply.png) Originally Posted by: chronovisor ![Go to Quoted Post Go to Quoted Post](/Themes/BlackGrey/icon_latest_reply.png) The answer is that it is a shortcut of the 12'' with the missing beat at the beginning. Not a particularly useful description. What does "the missing beat" mean? Explanation: The original UK version was mastered and cut on 5 occasions: One of the original editions misses the first 2 beats of the 16-bar intro being cut off due to a mastering error: FAC-73-A-1 MT. STRAWBERRY OUT VOTED! // FAC-73-B-1 MT. HO.EL+TEL! STRAWBERRY (runoff space 0,8 cm // 1,6 cm) And from this cut stated above the polish 7'' www.discogs.com/New-Orde...s-Like-Us/release/229706 and the polish single disc jockey limited edition 7'' www.discogs.com/Franek-K...e-Monday/release/1245059 were made from. We're all aware of a beat (or two) missing at the start of some pressings. But the original question was: what's the 5.05 edit like? Conisdering the standard version is 7.27, there must be other things missing besides a beat at the start. Can you tell us!? Edited by user 26 April 2021 02:05:57(UTC)
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The last line of vocals in the full 12” version ends at 4:35. It’s probably just an early fade.
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Originally Posted by: Debaser ![Go to Quoted Post Go to Quoted Post](/Themes/BlackGrey/icon_latest_reply.png) Originally Posted by: chronovisor ![Go to Quoted Post Go to Quoted Post](/Themes/BlackGrey/icon_latest_reply.png) Originally Posted by: Mr Discography ![Go to Quoted Post Go to Quoted Post](/Themes/BlackGrey/icon_latest_reply.png) Originally Posted by: chronovisor ![Go to Quoted Post Go to Quoted Post](/Themes/BlackGrey/icon_latest_reply.png) The answer is that it is a shortcut of the 12'' with the missing beat at the beginning. Not a particularly useful description. What does "the missing beat" mean? Explanation: The original UK version was mastered and cut on 5 occasions: One of the original editions misses the first 2 beats of the 16-bar intro being cut off due to a mastering error: FAC-73-A-1 MT. STRAWBERRY OUT VOTED! // FAC-73-B-1 MT. HO.EL+TEL! STRAWBERRY (runoff space 0,8 cm // 1,6 cm) And from this cut stated above the polish 7'' www.discogs.com/New-Orde...s-Like-Us/release/229706 and the polish single disc jockey limited edition 7'' www.discogs.com/Franek-K...e-Monday/release/1245059 were made from. We're all aware of a beat (or two) missing at the start of some pressings. But the original question was: what's the 5.05 edit like? Conisdering the standard version is 7.27, there must be other things missing besides a beat at the start. Can you tell us!? Chronovisor hasn’t answered. You see what I mean about no-one ever answers the question about the Polish 7” . I’ve seen it asked many times over the years and still I’ve never seen an answer. Wow. What is it about that Polish 7” edit that makes people who own a copy , beit an actual physical copy or a digital version that makes them evasive to providing details? Bizarre
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Originally Posted by: Mr Discography ![Go to Quoted Post Go to Quoted Post](/Themes/BlackGrey/icon_latest_reply.png) One of the disappointing things about last year's PCL boxset was the absence of any Blue Monday 7" edits.
There was nothing in the tape library, so we would have had to recreate any we wanted to use. You can probably do that yourself. I think the two edits (Japanese and Polish) were both created by the labels in those territories only so weren't actually a Factory or band created thing. The tapes for which weren't sent back over either.
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I ve uploaded the Polish 7" Edit here ..5.04mins for those who d like to hear it . https://mp3.fastupload.co/files/1619508792
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Originally Posted by: Atrocity ![Go to Quoted Post Go to Quoted Post](/Themes/BlackGrey/icon_latest_reply.png) Thanks! Finally an answer. So it’s the start and end snipped off then, though I was expecting a fade out , not an abrupt stop.
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Originally Posted by: Fotz ![Go to Quoted Post Go to Quoted Post](/Themes/BlackGrey/icon_latest_reply.png) Originally Posted by: Atrocity ![Go to Quoted Post Go to Quoted Post](/Themes/BlackGrey/icon_latest_reply.png) Thanks! Finally an answer. So it’s the start and end snipped off then, though I was expecting a fade out , not an abrupt stop. It is a a fade out albeit a short one .
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So there you go. Well worth the 40-year wait. The Razormaid school of mixing.
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Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse ![Go to Quoted Post Go to Quoted Post](/Themes/BlackGrey/icon_latest_reply.png) So there you go. Well worth the 40-year wait. The Razormaid school of mixing. Yep, just the start and end cut off, could’ve done that myself! Edited by user 27 April 2021 06:07:01(UTC)
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... And thrown fifty quid away.
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Originally Posted by: Fotz ![Go to Quoted Post Go to Quoted Post](/Themes/BlackGrey/icon_latest_reply.png) Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse ![Go to Quoted Post Go to Quoted Post](/Themes/BlackGrey/icon_latest_reply.png) So there you go. Well worth the 40-year wait. The Razormaid school of mixing. Yep, just the start and end cut off, could’ve done that myself! Apologies for shattering your illusions Fotz ..Sorryyyyy!!
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Thanks to Atrocity for sharing this. Nice to hear it after so many years. It starts like the original Blue Monday video version, but I think it deviates at some point (haven't really checked in depth yet). Maybe someone might want to compare the two properly:
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Originally Posted by: The Shadow ![Go to Quoted Post Go to Quoted Post](/Themes/BlackGrey/icon_latest_reply.png) The rare vinyl ones in my collection I can think of is the orange vinyl in order compilation.
Other ones is the shiny metallic Brotherhood
ok, bit the bullet, and ordered the metallic brotherhood LP. will let you know what it amounts to, and texture, colors etc, once it gets here. that leaves me with 2 more major new order releases to get in the next couple of months, before concentrating on some other promos, colored confusion german 7 inch releases, and some other gaps i've been meaning to fill. ![UserPostedImage](//i.ibb.co/SvsY57S/LPfront.jpg) ![UserPostedImage](//i.ibb.co/mCmB30t/LPback.jpg) later -1 Edited by user 01 May 2021 13:31:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: negative1 ![Go to Quoted Post Go to Quoted Post](/Themes/BlackGrey/icon_latest_reply.png) colored confusion german 7 inch releases, If you get chance to rip one of these, I’d be interested to hear it again (I have at least one of them but it’s in storage and I don’t have a turntable anymore). In other news, I managed to get hold of three car carry cases recently (Closer, PC&L and Low Life). Great stuff. If anyone has spares for Unknown Pleasures, Movement or Brotherhood, and wants to sell ‘em, please drop me a PM.
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Originally Posted by: perspexorange ![Go to Quoted Post Go to Quoted Post](/Themes/BlackGrey/icon_latest_reply.png) Originally Posted by: negative1 ![Go to Quoted Post Go to Quoted Post](/Themes/BlackGrey/icon_latest_reply.png) colored confusion german 7 inch releases, If you get chance to rip one of these, I’d be interested to hear it again (I have at least one of them but it’s in storage and I don’t have a turntable anymore). In other news, I managed to get hold of three car carry cases recently (Closer, PC&L and Low Life). Great stuff. If anyone has spares for Unknown Pleasures, Movement or Brotherhood, and wants to sell ‘em, please drop me a PM. very nice. i don't think i've seen pictures of the low life one. (oh yeah, forgot about the confusion single mix, still getting there) i've been making my own car carry cases with mixed results. (too thin). However, i bought a craft cutting machine. Now, I should technically be able to cut the right thickness in cardboard to make them, and use scans to print onto them. No, its not the real thing, but it's part of the artsy craftsy things I've been doing lately. later -1
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next up on the New Order get list, Ceremony RSD release... been wanting this for awhile, but hopefully, this one will work out. it's on order.. https://www.discogs.com/...ly-Place/release/2830689![UserPostedImage](//i.ibb.co/gRb6Vbk/ceremony-RSD.jpg) New Order / Joy Division – Ceremony / In A Lonely Place Label: Rhino Records (2) – FAC.33 Format: Vinyl, 12", Limited Edition, 33 ⅓ RPM Country: UK Released: 16 Apr 2011 Genre: Rock Style: Post-Punk Tracklist A1 –New Order Ceremony A2 –New Order In A Lonely Place AA1 –Joy Division Ceremony AA2 –Joy Division In A Lonely Place This is the record store day special limited edition release (800 copies), containing both the New Order and Joy Division versions of the same songs: Ceremony and In A Lonely Place. The Joy Division tracks are from rehearsal sessions, and In A Lonely Place has never before been released in this full length version. later -1 Edited by user 07 May 2021 20:17:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: negative1 ![Go to Quoted Post Go to Quoted Post](/Themes/BlackGrey/icon_latest_reply.png) next up on the New Order get list, Ceremony RSD release... been wanting this for awhile, but hopefully, this one will work out. it's on order.. https://www.discogs.com/...ly-Place/release/2830689![UserPostedImage](//i.ibb.co/gRb6Vbk/ceremony-RSD.jpg) New Order / Joy Division – Ceremony / In A Lonely Place This is the record store day special limited edition release (800 copies), ... -1 Rough Trade records in Brick Lane, London often put on mini gigs for free when artists have new albums out. Sometimes you have to pre-order the album to get a wristband and sometimes you can just turn up. Anyway I remember being there for a gig a few days after that particular RSD and noticing they still had a few of those 12"s on the racks (face value). Did I get one? No. Do I regret it? Well looking at those Discogs prices...Yes!
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Originally Posted by: Debaser ![Go to Quoted Post Go to Quoted Post](/Themes/BlackGrey/icon_latest_reply.png) Originally Posted by: negative1 ![Go to Quoted Post Go to Quoted Post](/Themes/BlackGrey/icon_latest_reply.png) next up on the New Order get list, Ceremony RSD release... been wanting this for awhile, but hopefully, this one will work out. it's on order.. https://www.discogs.com/...ly-Place/release/2830689![UserPostedImage](//i.ibb.co/gRb6Vbk/ceremony-RSD.jpg) New Order / Joy Division – Ceremony / In A Lonely Place This is the record store day special limited edition release (800 copies), ... -1 Rough Trade records in Brick Lane, London often put on mini gigs for free when artists have new albums out. Sometimes you have to pre-order the album to get a wristband and sometimes you can just turn up. Anyway I remember being there for a gig a few days after that particular RSD and noticing they still had a few of those 12"s on the racks (face value). Did I get one? No. Do I regret it? Well looking at those Discogs prices...Yes! discogs prices can be reasonable or totally out of range. if you get it for the median price, which is what i aim for. then you should be ok. i have never tried to sell anything on discogs, so i don't really know how well it would work out. compared to ebay, which also is the other place i look at. discogs, at least you know, people are more serious about their music. ebay prices tend to be pretty ridiculous for the most part. barely buy anything there anymore, unless its my last resort. later -1
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