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negative1		#26 Posted : 03 February 2021 09:58:11(UTC)
Rank: Member with Substance Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,184 Thanks: 926 times Was thanked: 1772 time(s) in 1186 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Fotz So what was the story with this promo set? I vaguely remember a thread about it on here some years ago , seeing the pics and stuff . Shocked to realise it was nearly 5 years ago though, time flies and all that eh? But what was the reason and timing for its release? Just seemed quite a random thing. No I don’t own a copy and haven’t tried to obtain one. Just trying to get my round what the point of it was. I guess I’m at risk of sounding like sour grapes that I don’t have a copy but that’s really not the case, I’m just curious about the point of it. Bands release inhouse promos, and company promos as thank you to specific people or for specific events. Nothing more than that. Sure there are anniversary releases. Look at the tons of special factory promos that are worth a fortune now, flexis, flipbooks, rulers, statues, stationary, and every other thing you can think of. This is a small time peanuts to put out a limited cd set. later -1

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NotAMod		#27 Posted : 03 February 2021 10:46:45(UTC)
Rank: Moderator Groups: Moderators, Administrators, Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 671 Location: London, UK Thanks: 180 times Was thanked: 1100 time(s) in 672 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Fotz So what was the story with this promo set? I vaguely remember a thread about it on here some years ago , seeing the pics and stuff . Shocked to realise it was nearly 5 years ago though, time flies and all that eh? But what was the reason and timing for its release? Just seemed quite a random thing. No I don’t own a copy and haven’t tried to obtain one. Just trying to get my round what the point of it was. I guess I’m at risk of sounding like sour grapes that I don’t have a copy but that’s really not the case, I’m just curious about the point of it. The set was intended to mark the acquisition of the NO catalogue's publisher rights by Universal Music in 2015: New Order Signs Worldwide Publishing Deal With Universal Music Fairly certain these sets weren't produced to make money but were simply given away to industry insiders, A&R folk etc. A quantity ended up being resold on eBay, Discogs etc. Or perhaps a batch was never given out and made their way into sellers' hands through other means. Like anything marked "Promotional Only" they were never really intended for Joe Public hence their ridiculous value nowadays when copies do surface. Same with the JD one from 2007. Edited by user 03 February 2021 10:50:32(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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Mr. Disco		#28 Posted : 03 February 2021 11:05:27(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Republic Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 240 Location: Brazil Thanks: 1451 times Was thanked: 506 time(s) in 240 post(s)		Originally Posted by: NotAMod Fairly certain these sets weren't produced to make money but were simply given away to industry insiders, A&R folk etc. Apparently it got to the right hands, given the fair amount of Hollywood movies and/or ads that featured NO songs (i.e. Blue Monday) in recent years.
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Michael Monkhouse		#29 Posted : 03 February 2021 11:10:22(UTC)
Rank: Guilty Partner Groups: Registered Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,998 Location: Rome Thanks: 61 times Was thanked: 2410 time(s) in 2004 post(s)		I don't think it's specifically connected to that, Mr Disco. What's your first name? New Order have been used on loads of soundtracks. Sometimes they're even relevant. NotAMod is probably right. A lot of artists do in-house bonuses, even McCartney with https://en.m.wikipedia.o...Stop_Doing_What_You_Love

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Mr. Disco		#30 Posted : 03 February 2021 11:18:18(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Republic Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 240 Location: Brazil Thanks: 1451 times Was thanked: 506 time(s) in 240 post(s)		Agreed... it's a long shot, of course they've been on a lot of soundtracks through the years but there were a lot in the past 3 or 4 years. Ready Player #1, Atomic Blonde and the Wonder Woman trailer come to mind. A coincidence probably, but still... My name's Paulo.
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perspexorange		#31 Posted : 03 February 2021 11:26:50(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,376 Location: Salop Thanks: 504 times Was thanked: 3827 time(s) in 2375 post(s)		Hello Paulo! Just dropping into this thread to comment that this site has had a wonderful flurry of activity these last few days. Long may it continue! :-)

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Fotz		#32 Posted : 03 February 2021 11:36:22(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 02/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 2,655 Location: Down on the farm Thanks: 676 times Was thanked: 3733 time(s) in 2656 post(s)		Originally Posted by: NotAMod Originally Posted by: Fotz So what was the story with this promo set? I vaguely remember a thread about it on here some years ago , seeing the pics and stuff . Shocked to realise it was nearly 5 years ago though, time flies and all that eh? But what was the reason and timing for its release? Just seemed quite a random thing. No I don’t own a copy and haven’t tried to obtain one. Just trying to get my round what the point of it was. I guess I’m at risk of sounding like sour grapes that I don’t have a copy but that’s really not the case, I’m just curious about the point of it. The set was intended to mark the acquisition of the NO catalogue's publisher rights by Universal Music in 2015: New Order Signs Worldwide Publishing Deal With Universal Music Fairly certain these sets weren't produced to make money but were simply given away to industry insiders, A&R folk etc. A quantity ended up being resold on eBay, Discogs etc. Or perhaps a batch was never given out and made their way into sellers' hands through other means. Like anything marked "Promotional Only" they were never really intended for Joe Public hence their ridiculous value nowadays when copies do surface. Same with the JD one from 2007. Many thanks for the info, NotAmod. An informative and helpful post . I knew it had to be something a bit more than Monkhouse’s lazy and half arsed “ Money” theory.

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Michael Monkhouse		#33 Posted : 03 February 2021 11:41:08(UTC)
Rank: Guilty Partner Groups: Registered Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,998 Location: Rome Thanks: 61 times Was thanked: 2410 time(s) in 2004 post(s)		You're just jealous because I know so many interesting facts about the Spice Girls. Anyway, I was right in a way cos ultimately it's all about business innit. Why didn't they give me One, after all my useful contributions?

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negative1		#34 Posted : 03 February 2021 13:46:36(UTC)
Rank: Member with Substance Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,184 Thanks: 926 times Was thanked: 1772 time(s) in 1186 post(s)		Originally Posted by: perspexorange Hello Paulo! Just dropping into this thread to comment that this site has had a wonderful flurry of activity these last few days. Long may it continue! :-) well, i discovered the neworder reddit, and there's the steve hoffman forum album thread, and tons of discussions going on with new order. every week, every month, there is news, new music, live streams, the boxset, there has been more new order news and releases in the last year, than there has been in a decade, at least to me. that's why there's a discussion. also, it's a good time to look back. i haven't touched my new order stuff in a decade or two, so it's good to see what i actually have, and finally add to it, and get all those releases i've meaning to get, but couldn't find, or afford. you've been posting a lot of good topics too. that helps. later -1

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Mr. Disco		#35 Posted : 26 May 2023 09:38:02(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Republic Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 240 Location: Brazil Thanks: 1451 times Was thanked: 506 time(s) in 240 post(s)		There's one going on eBay for £132 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/125933572381
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Fractured		#36 Posted : 07 July 2023 21:42:28(UTC)
Rank: Young Offender Groups: Registered Joined: 10/12/2012(UTC) Posts: 38 Location: USA Thanks: 6 times Was thanked: 50 time(s) in 38 post(s)		Originally Posted by: negative1 ok, looking over this promo from 2016: https://www.discogs.com/...ewOrder/release/10588672 The audio mastering on individual tracks suggest that they have come from a variety of sources. The instrumental version of "Waiting For The Sirens' Call" on CD 2 is the sole previously unreleased track here (to date). A Rich Costey instrumental mix of the song was released in 2005 on a CDr promo but the version here is different and based on the original album version. [/code] so most of the tracks aren't anything new. This thread reminded me to look for the set and I recently picked it up. I am currently A-B testing the individual tracks against previous releases (Factory/Qwest/Rhino) and there are some unique masters on the second disc. "The Beach" is in many respects similar to the "B.M. Instrumental Outtake" on the box set but fades earlier and is a considerably different mix. Individual elements are much more distinct here, more dynamic, making for a different listening experience. Since work on the box sets began around 2016, quite possibly this is unmastered, or mastered independently of the PCL box by different people. Edited by user 08 July 2023 14:19:41(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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perspexorange		#37 Posted : 09 July 2023 01:39:30(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,376 Location: Salop Thanks: 504 times Was thanked: 3827 time(s) in 2375 post(s)		Hmm. Would definitely be interested to hear that Beach variant and, indeed, anything else different on this compilation.

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Mr. Disco		#38 Posted : 19 July 2023 04:57:57(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Republic Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 240 Location: Brazil Thanks: 1451 times Was thanked: 506 time(s) in 240 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Fractured "The Beach" is in many respects similar to the "B.M. Instrumental Outtake" on the box set but fades earlier and is a considerably different mix. Individual elements are much more distinct here, more dynamic, making for a different listening experience. Since work on the box sets began around 2016, quite possibly this is unmastered, or mastered independently of the PCL box by different people. Could it be the same mix from the bonus CD on the 2008 two-disc reissue of PC&L? Originally Posted by: perspexorange Hmm. Would definitely be interested to hear that Beach variant and, indeed, anything else different on this compilation. Mine is still sealed, but a mate ripped the WFTSC instrumental for me... I'll try to get him to rip The Beach as well. Edited by user 19 July 2023 14:45:38(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified
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Johnny James		#39 Posted : 19 July 2023 12:34:00(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 29/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 450 Location: UK Was thanked: 1036 time(s) in 450 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Fractured This thread reminded me to look for the set and I recently picked it up. I am currently A-B testing the individual tracks against previous releases (Factory/Qwest/Rhino) and there are some unique masters on the second disc. "The Beach" is in many respects similar to the "B.M. Instrumental Outtake" on the box set but fades earlier and is a considerably different mix. Individual elements are much more distinct here, more dynamic, making for a different listening experience. Since work on the box sets began around 2016, quite possibly this is unmastered, or mastered independently of the PCL box by different people. The Beach had an edit section that should be used in the master. The mix from the Britannia Row sessions isn't the final version/edit. That edit section doesn't exist on the analogue reels (as we found out) and the U-Matic with it on doesn't play anymore. For the recent reissue single we had to use an analogue production master reel. I've no idea what they actually used for this set, it's probably some old transfer of the unfinished mix down (probably the same as the PCL Collector's Edition).

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Andy		#40 Posted : 20 July 2023 08:42:30(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Seaside, California Thanks: 1652 times Was thanked: 3333 time(s) in 2238 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Johnny James Originally Posted by: Fractured This thread reminded me to look for the set and I recently picked it up. I am currently A-B testing the individual tracks against previous releases (Factory/Qwest/Rhino) and there are some unique masters on the second disc. "The Beach" is in many respects similar to the "B.M. Instrumental Outtake" on the box set but fades earlier and is a considerably different mix. Individual elements are much more distinct here, more dynamic, making for a different listening experience. Since work on the box sets began around 2016, quite possibly this is unmastered, or mastered independently of the PCL box by different people. The Beach had an edit section that should be used in the master. The mix from the Britannia Row sessions isn't the final version/edit. That edit section doesn't exist on the analogue reels (as we found out) and the U-Matic with it on doesn't play anymore. For the recent reissue single we had to use an analogue production master reel. I've no idea what they actually used for this set, it's probably some old transfer of the unfinished mix down (probably the same as the PCL Collector's Edition). Does this mean the only way to get the remastered version of the proper mix is by buying the re-released 12"?
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Johnny James		#41 Posted : 20 July 2023 13:25:26(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 29/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 450 Location: UK Was thanked: 1036 time(s) in 450 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Andy Originally Posted by: Johnny James Originally Posted by: Fractured This thread reminded me to look for the set and I recently picked it up. I am currently A-B testing the individual tracks against previous releases (Factory/Qwest/Rhino) and there are some unique masters on the second disc. "The Beach" is in many respects similar to the "B.M. Instrumental Outtake" on the box set but fades earlier and is a considerably different mix. Individual elements are much more distinct here, more dynamic, making for a different listening experience. Since work on the box sets began around 2016, quite possibly this is unmastered, or mastered independently of the PCL box by different people. The Beach had an edit section that should be used in the master. The mix from the Britannia Row sessions isn't the final version/edit. That edit section doesn't exist on the analogue reels (as we found out) and the U-Matic with it on doesn't play anymore. For the recent reissue single we had to use an analogue production master reel. I've no idea what they actually used for this set, it's probably some old transfer of the unfinished mix down (probably the same as the PCL Collector's Edition). Does this mean the only way to get the remastered version of the proper mix is by buying the re-released 12"? Yes, that's the only source right now (and digital obviously).

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