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#1 Posted : 10 January 2021 17:23:37(UTC)
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i've been listening to the writing sessions versions
of the album tracks, and have been making notes of
the differences in them.

most of them dont have vocals.

anyways, looking through the tracks

No. Title Length

1. "Age of Consent" 5:16
2. "We All Stand" 5:14
3. "The Village" 4:37
4. "5 8 6" 7:31 -> instrumental parts

Side two
No. Title Length
1. "Your Silent Face" 6:00
2. "Ultraviolence" 4:52
3. "Ecstasy" 4:25 -> mostly instrumental
4. "Leave Me Alone" 4:40


there is no session or take on 'ultraviolence' though.

there is quite a difference in many of the tracks
in instruments, tempo and key.
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Definitive Edition bonus tracks
No. Title Length

1. "Age of Consent" (Writing Session Recordings) 4:40
2. "The Village" (Writing Session Recordings) 3:14
3. "5 8 6" (Writing Session Recordings) 3:25
4. "Your Silent Face" (Writing Session Recordings) 5:02
5. "Ecstasy" (Writing Session Recordings) 4:25
6. "Leave Me Alone" (Writing Session Recordings) 4:09
8. "We All Stand" (John Peel Session) 5:25

10. "5 8 6" (John Peel Session) 6:08

12. "Thieves Like Us" (New York Demo #1, 1983) 6:42
13. "Thieves Like Us" (1983 Writing Session Recordings) 2:00
14. "Murder" (Writing Session Recordings) 3:41

15. "Blue Monday" (Writing Session Recordings) 2:10
16. "Blue Monday" (1982 Writing Session Recordings) 5:50
17. "Blue Monday" (Instrumental Outtake; Album Session Recording) 7:19



1 age of consent

this is a shorter more basic version of the track

Age of Consent (Writing Session Recordings) 4:40 146.7 bpm
album version "Age of Consent" 5:16 162.0 bpm

there is a HUGE difference in tempo,
the final version is one of the fastest tracks for new order.

the writing session is much slower.


for comparison, we don't have any other takes on the album version,
but here is a recreated album instrumental version (some vocal artifacts in there),
and not cleaned up:

01 new order - age of consent (album instrumental)

youtube (might be blocked):

alternate:
https://sowndhaus.audio/...onsentalbum-instrumental

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you can hear the synth segments, and the guitars more prominently


i thought about comparing the album version to the session, but its
too hard with the tempo difference, and vocals.

so i tried to match the vocals to the slower session version,
and it sounds very rough, the vocals don't line up properly,
and needed adjustment for the phrases.

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i also tried to see what the song would be like
if they were just trying out the bass and drum parts.

01 new order - age of consent (drum bass album dub)
=====================================================
this is kind of a minimal dub, with mostly bass and drums, pre guitars,synth

youtube (might be blocked):


alternate:
https://sowndhaus.audio/...-of-consentdrum-bass-dub


here's what a rough demo version with vocals could have sounded like,
now since we're using the album vocals, they are much cleaner sounding
than a rough take, and i'm guessing wildly where they would have come in.

here's a rough picture of the adjustments made to all the vocal phrasing,
as it had to be slowed down, and adjusted for the different phrases.



01 new order - age of consent (rough demo with vocals approximation)
==============================================================================
youtube (might be blocked):


alternate:
https://sowndhaus.audio/...age-of-consentvocal-demo

anyways, i think it sounds interesting with it might have sounded
like if they had added some vocals too it.

obviously they had to retool the song, and completely revamp the
instruments and pace. and bernard had to sing much faster.

i plan on looking at the other songs too.

later
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Edited by user 10 January 2021 17:25:07(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Very neat stuff. What software did you use?
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#3 Posted : 13 January 2021 03:34:38(UTC)
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Very neat stuff. What software did you use?



lots of different ones:
sound forge 6.0
izotope rx8
mixmeister 3.0
audacity 2.x

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#4 Posted : 13 January 2021 13:02:52(UTC)
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Very neat stuff. What software did you use?



lots of different ones:
sound forge 6.0
izotope rx8
mixmeister 3.0
audacity 2.x

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Wow! Which is best at isolating individual instruments/voices?

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#5 Posted : 13 January 2021 13:59:55(UTC)
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Very neat stuff. What software did you use?



lots of different ones:
sound forge 6.0
izotope rx8
mixmeister 3.0
audacity 2.x

later
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Wow! Which is best at isolating individual instruments/voices?



izotope rx8, but you will have to use a lot of other software too.

there are lots of plugins and online libraries, open-source programs,
stems splitters, and then you have to go in manually to clean up the
artifacts, etc. there's lots of tutorials on youtube.

later
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Originally Posted by: negative1 Go to Quoted Post

izotope rx8, but you will have to use a lot of other software too.

there are lots of plugins and online libraries, open-source programs,
stems splitters, and then you have to go in manually to clean up the
artifacts, etc. there's lots of tutorials on youtube.

later
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Thanks, found it: https://www.izotope.com/en/shop/rx-8-standard.html

I'd be particularly interested in programs that can create stems (Izotope looks like it has many additional bells and whistles). I'll see what comes well-recommended!
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#7 Posted : 13 January 2021 15:07:03(UTC)
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next up is we all stand,

a rather slower paced song.

again, made an album instrumental verison of it..
removed most of the vocals, except in a few parts:
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(might be blocked)



here's a more drum, bass, dub of the stripped down song,
with more of bernards singing highlighted.
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(might be blocked)


and the we all stand peel session already has
vocals, so lets try to remove those from them.
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(might be blocked)


and finally, here's a very stripped down peel
sessions versions, focusing on mostly the vocals
with basic instruments. mostly acoustic.
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(might be blocked)

a lot of emotion in the song.

NOTE : Will also be updating blog posts here:
https://surfaceremix.wor...nstrumentals-and-vocals/

later
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