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trafaelwyr  
#101 Posted : 16 September 2020 15:12:39(UTC)
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Just went and ordered myself the 12". I just need to go back to the 12" singles that were released off of MC and get those to go along with the box set I have.
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ROCKET MICK on 17/09/2020(UTC)
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#102 Posted : 16 September 2020 20:57:44(UTC)
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Where’s our old friend keepitcoming these days? Thought he/she would have been all over this, a new song.
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#103 Posted : 16 September 2020 22:52:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Fotz Go to Quoted Post
Where’s our old friend keepitcoming these days? Thought he/she would have been all over this, a new song.



I see what you did there.
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ROCKET MICK on 17/09/2020(UTC)
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#104 Posted : 20 September 2020 10:28:15(UTC)
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A dodgy "promo CD" for Be A Rebel has cropped up on eBay which looks nothing like established Mute promotional CDrs.

The insert looks hand-cut with a pair of scissors and all of the information printed on the "release" could have come character for character from the Discogs entries for the digital versions. Also, the story of how the person came into possession of the CD... well, the timelines don't really match.

Can anyone on the forum with connections to the band or label hint whether this is genuine or not? If it is not then some fan or collector might be about to be fleeced (not me, I hasten to add. I won't be bidding even if it is genuine).

Thoughts?
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#105 Posted : 20 September 2020 11:02:25(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NotAMod Go to Quoted Post
A dodgy "promo CD" for Be A Rebel has cropped up on eBay which looks nothing like established Mute promotional CDrs.

The insert looks hand-cut with a pair of scissors and all of the information printed on the "release" could have come character for character from the Discogs entries for the digital versions. Also, the story of how the person came into possession of the CD... well, the timelines don't really match.

Can anyone on the forum with connections to the band or label hint whether this is genuine or not? If it is not then some fan or collector might be about to be fleeced (not me, I hasten to add. I won't be bidding even if it is genuine).

Thoughts?


I don't know if there's a real promo CD for it, but I can say from years of experience in record shops etc dealing with genuine promos, that this looks home made and badly designed and is probably not official.

Edit: look at the other promo CDs they've sold, all feature what look like the same CDR discs, same PVCs (consumer ones, perforated edges), similar 'design' characteristics despite being on different labels. It doesn't ring true at all. There are also too many signed items, also probably faked, though I can't be bothered to look at them too closely.

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#106 Posted : 20 September 2020 11:30:32(UTC)
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Thanks. That backs up what I was thinking.

Regrettably someone will probably fall for it and bid a lot of money for a crap bootleg.

Ah well.
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ROCKET MICK on 20/09/2020(UTC)
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#107 Posted : 20 September 2020 13:36:42(UTC)
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Didn't even chart in the Download charts?

I make that the 5th single in a row that hasn't charted now. Sad times
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ROCKET MICK on 20/09/2020(UTC)
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#108 Posted : 20 September 2020 15:20:58(UTC)
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I remember People on the High Line being #1 on the physical singles chart, no?
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ROCKET MICK on 20/09/2020(UTC)
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#109 Posted : 20 September 2020 16:51:27(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: GotBlueEyes Go to Quoted Post
Didn't even chart in the Download charts?

I make that the 5th single in a row that hasn't charted now. Sad times


It makes me very sad that a song this good didn’t chart. Such a great catchy song. Much better that most of the crap on top 20. It really saddens me that New Orders music is getting less famous and not many people listening to. I also love U2 , Depeche Mode and Pet shop boys but when they release some it gets noticed and ends up being high on the chart buy why not NO. They are equally good as those bands that I mentioned above.
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ROCKET MICK on 20/09/2020(UTC)
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#110 Posted : 20 September 2020 17:38:17(UTC)
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Be A Rebel peaked at #13 on the UK iTunes download chart, and #1 on the Alternative chart.

It peaked at #86 on the US iTunes chart.

It's had 5,390,915 streams on Spotify, but only 280,194 views on YouTube.

It will likely chart when the physical 12"/digital bundle is released on November 13th.
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#111 Posted : 20 September 2020 17:42:07(UTC)
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Chart position doesn't mean anything anyway. They still sell out massive venues.

Didn't Steve once say if you believe in the charts you may as well believe in fairies?
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#112 Posted : 20 September 2020 22:47:49(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Linus Solanki Go to Quoted Post


It makes me very sad that a song this good didn’t chart. Such a great catchy song. Much better that most of the crap on top 20. It really saddens me that New Orders music is getting less famous and not many people listening to. I also love U2 , Depeche Mode and Pet shop boys but when they release some it gets noticed and ends up being high on the chart buy why not NO. They are equally good as those bands that I mentioned above.


Don't forget U2 have always and still are happy to promote their product every which way possible whereas New Orders policy of "Can't Really Be Arsed" still seems to be being followed. I'm not sure about PSBs but the Depeche albums always seem to appear near the top of the charts before sinking without trace (probably because they've all sounded the same since 1997. Come on Depeche, where's the melodies gone? Enough on that staticy crunchy crap).
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ROCKET MICK on 21/09/2020(UTC)
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#113 Posted : 20 September 2020 23:13:05(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Coops Go to Quoted Post

Don't forget U2 have always and still are happy to promote their product every which way possible whereas New Orders policy of "Can't Really Be Arsed" still seems to be being followed.


Sounds cool and UberNewOrder but like a lot of the mythology around the band It hasn't been true for years. In 1993 they made Ginger Spice look like J D Salinger.
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ROCKET MICK on 21/09/2020(UTC)
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#114 Posted : 21 September 2020 02:21:54(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse Go to Quoted Post
In 1993 they made Ginger Spice look like J D Salinger.


And what's Ginger doing these days? Or the rest of them?








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ROCKET MICK on 21/09/2020(UTC)
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#115 Posted : 21 September 2020 02:34:43(UTC)
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They're organising our six-way wedding. Now leave my religion alone.
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ROCKET MICK on 21/09/2020(UTC)
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#116 Posted : 21 September 2020 06:20:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NotAMod Go to Quoted Post
A dodgy "promo CD" for Be A Rebel has cropped up on eBay which looks nothing like established Mute promotional CDrs.

The insert looks hand-cut with a pair of scissors and all of the information printed on the "release" could have come character for character from the Discogs entries for the digital versions. Also, the story of how the person came into possession of the CD... well, the timelines don't really match.

Can anyone on the forum with connections to the band or label hint whether this is genuine or not? If it is not then some fan or collector might be about to be fleeced (not me, I hasten to add. I won't be bidding even if it is genuine).

Thoughts?


It might be fake. But at least its not signed.

But I wonder how they've managed to keep a 100% rating through hundreds of sales.

Thats pretty impressive.

The rest were probably bought from someone else, they mentioned that did have
actual signed items, so those are probably real.

later
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#117 Posted : 21 September 2020 07:10:07(UTC)
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Seriously dodgy.
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#118 Posted : 21 September 2020 09:51:40(UTC)
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They're organising our six-way wedding. Now leave my religion alone.


See, I hinted that they'd fallen on hard times. Big Grin

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#119 Posted : 21 September 2020 10:00:40(UTC)
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Not just times, if they're lucky.
Glad this is a 'proper' single and not a one-off like Brutal.
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#120 Posted : 21 September 2020 10:27:47(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse Go to Quoted Post
Glad this is a 'proper' single and not a one-off like Brutal.


True!
It's great that they're releasing this in physical formats.

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ROCKET MICK on 21/09/2020(UTC)
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#121 Posted : 21 September 2020 14:56:45(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse Go to Quoted Post
Not just times, if they're lucky.
Glad this is a 'proper' single and not a one-off like Brutal.


I'm taking this the wrong way, surely, but Brutal was the start of a great 6 years of New Order productivity.
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ROCKET MICK on 22/09/2020(UTC)
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#122 Posted : 21 September 2020 23:29:32(UTC)
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I meant a full-on single with artwork and mixes as opposed to a single track on an OST featuring crud like the Spice Girls' aborted daughters All Saints and the mind-numbingly overrated Blur.
Working Overtime, Rock the Shack, the lyrics to Player in the League... Great years indeed.

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#123 Posted : 22 September 2020 03:58:41(UTC)
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Out of interest, i spent a few minutes scanning through the tracks played on various shows on Radio 2 and BBC 6Music over the last couple of weeks to see if Be A Rebel had received much airplay.The only time i found it had been played on Radio 2 was when Zoe Ball premiered it on the breakfast show the day it was released.Shaun Keaveny played it the next day on his 6Music show after the short chat with Steve.Since then absolutely no plays on either station as far as i could find except for Amy Lame on 6Music who played it last Sunday on her afternoon show.Odd.Maybe it'll get more airplay when the physical copies are released in November.
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#124 Posted : 22 September 2020 04:42:50(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Fotz Go to Quoted Post
Out of interest, i spent a few minutes scanning through the tracks played on various shows on Radio 2 and BBC 6Music over the last couple of weeks to see if Be A Rebel had received much airplay.The only time i found it had been played on Radio 2 was when Zoe Ball premiered it on the breakfast show the day it was released.Shaun Keaveny played it the next day on his 6Music show after the short chat with Steve.Since then absolutely no plays on either station as far as i could find except for Amy Lame on 6Music who played it last Sunday on her afternoon show.Odd.Maybe it'll get more airplay when the physical copies are released in November.


Yes I also had checked last week to see the track listing last week on BBC 2 & 6 and not that much AirPlay. So sad. Such a good song and not that much AirPlay
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ROCKET MICK on 22/09/2020(UTC)
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#125 Posted : 22 September 2020 11:43:45(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: LostSiren Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Michael Monkhouse Go to Quoted Post

Glad this is a 'proper' single and not a one-off like Brutal.


I'm taking this the wrong way, surely, but Brutal was the start of a great 6 years of New Order productivity.


True, it was productive, but I'm not sure how worthwhile a lot of the songs that followed it were, but that 's just my opinion.

Personally speaking, I always think that 'Brutal' kind of set the template for a lot of bland songs that followed:

Brutal
60 Miles An Hour
Slow Jam
Close Range
Sabotage
Player In The League
Such A Good Thing
Who's Joe?
Hey Now What You Doing
I Told You So
Working Overtime
I'll Stay With You
Hellbent
Shake It Up
I Got A Feeling

...all sound fairly similar to me. I know some of these are a little bit different (Slow Jam, I Told You So, etc.), but there are definite similarities in a lot of of those tracks.


However, I think the point that Michael was making was that 'Brutal' was just kind of 'thrown out there', with no fanfare, wedged between other artists' tracks on a soundtrack LP.
It should be noted as well, that the song is barely heard in the actual film (it was played very quietly on a radio, in the middle of a storm).

A bit of a waste of a song (albeit, not a great one).

At least with 'Be A Rebel', the band have made an effort to promote it, even releasing it on vinyl and CD single.
(I still smart at the fact that I paid £15 just to hear 'Brutal' on 'The Beach' soundtrack).

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