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50poundnote  
#1 Posted : 31 March 2013 04:51:50(UTC)
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I was a huge fan of Razormaid during their golden period of the late '80s, having bought many of the original monthly issues on vinyl, and picking up all three of the CD box sets in 1992. I bought the first In Hindsight collection when it was compiled in 1997.

Yesterday I listened to In Hindsight II for the first time. Holy cow, what a load of CRAP. The classic Razormaid sound was generally a re-edit with some additional EQ, and sometimes a reworking from the master tapes. It always retained the feel of the original song, with more emphasis on the beat, and DJ-friendly intros, outros, and breaks.

In Hindsight II was Joseph Watt discovering how to digitally adjust the tempo of a track without shifting the key, and going crazy. No one wants to dance to a s l o w e r Confusion. He abandoned his keen ear for editing in favor of a kitchen sink approach, grabbing 4 bars here and 4 bars there, jamming them together where they don't make sense, instead of carefully restructuring the track in a way that maintained a consistent feel. The original idea behind Razormaid was to streamline tracks that were forward-thinking, and this was him going in the complete opposite direction, making tracks more complicated.

He was always a greedy a-hole (I've had very unpleasant, personal dealings with the man), but he at least put out a quality product. In Hindsight II sounds like it was thrown together in a single afternoon as a blatant cash-grab from the fans, banking on New Order's name and Razormaid's past reputation.

(And don't get me started on his claims of copyright. His original deal with the labels was no more than 1000 copies of any track pressed, but 20-plus years later he's now selling CD-Rs through his website. He's never paid any royalties.)


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In Hindsight II is a very unsatisfying listening experience.

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#2 Posted : 31 March 2013 10:35:40(UTC)
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not your favoutite then?

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ROCKET MICK on 01/04/2013(UTC)
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#3 Posted : 31 March 2013 19:54:36(UTC)
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Hope you were breathing while letting that out?

Feel better now? Good.

Eek
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ROCKET MICK on 01/04/2013(UTC)
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#4 Posted : 08 April 2013 11:43:25(UTC)
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At last, I thought, I can get the Razormaid mixes.

They were atrocious. My ex, who caught me listening to them whilst doing the housework, voiced the opinion that IH2 was "Shit". She was right.
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ROCKET MICK on 08/04/2013(UTC)
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Does anyone have a copy of the razor maid remix of "Mr. Disco"? If so could you contact me and send it to me? Thanks
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ROCKET MICK on 16/05/2017(UTC)
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#6 Posted : 16 May 2017 09:56:15(UTC)
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Razorshite are fucking shit. Splice and repeat and throw five pounds away.
586 was the first I heard, on a bootleg double album 'Decadence'. I remember thinking, What a pointless waste of time - I could've done that meself with basic equipment and a free mo(u)rning. Subsequent mixes haven't changed my opinion.
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ROCKET MICK on 16/05/2017(UTC)
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#7 Posted : 16 May 2017 10:21:51(UTC)
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The razormaid mixes of subculture blow away the official ones, and are much better,
and some of the other ones are good too, and better than the official ones.


Don't let people just give their opinions, actually go out and listen to them.

later
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ROCKET MICK on 16/05/2017(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: 50poundnote Go to Quoted Post
I was a huge fan of Razormaid ...


So to do strikethrough you use an (s) and an (/s) in square brackets. Is that a dropdown option or do you just have to know it from somewhere?

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ROCKET MICK on 16/05/2017(UTC)
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#9 Posted : 17 May 2017 00:23:26(UTC)
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The Razormaid mix of Subculture (aka Record Mirror Mix) is the only one version I listen to & has been for several years.
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I bought a Razormaid mix of Depeche Mode a good, oooh...25 years or so ago. It was shite and has remained stuck at the bottom of a mountain of vinyl ever since. Good to hear the Razormaid mark of quality has been applied to other bands -
reading this has brought all those shitty memories crashing back into my brain for the first time in decades Dead
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ROCKET MICK on 17/05/2017(UTC)
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#11 Posted : 17 May 2017 08:59:47(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Ken Doherty Go to Quoted Post
I bought a Razormaid mix of Depeche Mode a good, oooh...25 years or so ago. It was sh*te and has remained stuck at the bottom of a mountain of vinyl ever since. Good to hear the Razormaid mark of quality has been applied to other bands -
reading this has brought all those shitty memories crashing back into my brain for the first time in decades Dead


you guys just have bad luck, ok, some of the early ones were rough (putting it nicely), but later ones eclipsed most of the official mixes.
- erasure
- cabaret voltaire
- kraftwerk

in fact some bands even used the rezormaids on their official releases
- red flag

again, your mileage varies... i personally like, and own a lot of razormaid releases, hot tracks, DMC and many other DJ service remixes.

later
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ROCKET MICK on 17/05/2017(UTC)
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#12 Posted : 12 August 2020 12:01:10(UTC)
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I have both of the In Hindsight CDs which I bought directly from Razormaid. I haven't touched them in a million years, and now I've discovered that II is unreadable. Does anyone have a copy that they can share with me?
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ROCKET MICK on 19/08/2020(UTC)
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#13 Posted : 12 August 2020 12:41:13(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Adam Stanley Go to Quoted Post
I have both of the In Hindsight CDs which I bought directly from Razormaid. I haven't touched them in a million years, and now I've discovered that II is unreadable. Does anyone have a copy that they can share with me?


Exactly the same thing happened to me on a copy that must have been 8 or so years old. Even emailed them at the time asking if they could send a replacement. But no reply - not even sure if they're a going concern. Just left with a very lo-fi MP3 version I converted from a Sony ATRAC CD grab I made at a terrible bitrate back in the day.

Goes to show the importance of making lossless rips of CD-Rs - which have a much shorter lifespan than regular CDs. Also interested if anyone has decent quality MP3 or (ideally) lossless.

Mind you, as alluded to above, they really were just rubbish fan edits I rarely ever listened to anyway!

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ROCKET MICK on 19/08/2020(UTC)
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#14 Posted : 13 August 2020 00:33:49(UTC)
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I have .m4a files of In Hindsight II around the 262kbps range.

If those will do, PM me.

As regards the first In Hindsight compilation, I only have 160kbps mp3s.

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ROCKET MICK on 19/08/2020(UTC)
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Yes, the quality of these CDs is very bad. I have tried to rip them in Wav files. The process never reaches the end of the CDs... Frown
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Originally Posted by: perspexorange Go to Quoted Post
I have .m4a files of In Hindsight II around the 262kbps range.

If those will do, PM me.

As regards the first In Hindsight compilation, I only have 160kbps mp3s.

Perspex, looks like your inbox is full.
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ROCKET MICK on 19/08/2020(UTC)
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Sorry. I leave it around 97/100 messages, as I don’t really want to delete lots of messages.
Consequently, as soon as I get one or two messages and respond to one, it’s full again.

It never stays full for any length of time though and I clear it back down to 97 each time I get one. So, if anyone else wants these, either keep trying by PM or post here, and I’ll pick it up.
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ROCKET MICK on 19/08/2020(UTC)
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#18 Posted : 14 August 2020 00:59:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Adam Stanley Go to Quoted Post
I have both of the In Hindsight CDs which I bought directly from Razormaid. I haven't touched them in a million years, and now I've discovered that II is unreadable. Does anyone have a copy that they can share with me?


Funnily enough, I ripped these to flac from the original cd-rs last week, if anyone wants them contact me and I’ll send you a wetransfer link for either or both.

If anyone has the Recycle downloads from a few years ago, I’m looking for those following a HD crash.

Cheers
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ROCKET MICK on 19/08/2020(UTC)
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#19 Posted : 14 August 2020 05:52:52(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: lazlo 2 Go to Quoted Post
If anyone has the Recycle downloads from a few years ago, I’m looking for those following a HD crash.


http://www.50poundnote.com/neworder/

These are the AAC versions. Also added a folder of upgraded artwork for their entire Factory output 1981-1990.

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Thanks, appreciate that!
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ROCKET MICK on 19/08/2020(UTC)
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Thanks, 50!
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ROCKET MICK on 19/08/2020(UTC)
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#22 Posted : 15 August 2020 07:26:43(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: perspexorange Go to Quoted Post
Sorry. I leave it around 97/100 messages, as I don’t really want to delete lots of messages.
Consequently, as soon as I get one or two messages and respond to one, it’s full again.

It never stays full for any length of time though and I clear it back down to 97 each time I get one. So, if anyone else wants these, either keep trying by PM or post here, and I’ll pick it up.



you can archive messages if you need more space.

also you can export messages and save them that way too.

i had a ton of messages when i was working on projects,
and eventually had to make room for more.

that worked for me.

later
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ROCKET MICK on 19/08/2020(UTC)
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Thanks for this -1.

I always thought though that the 'archive' took up more room in one's quota.

For instance, I've just gone and deleted a load of messages and archived a load too. It currently says:

"You have 37 private messages: 0 in Inbox and 7 in Outbox, 30 In Archive from a total of 100 allowed. Your mail box is filled to 37.00%"

So 0 Inbox + 7 outbox + 30 Archive = 37 messages. Therefore 37% full.

Therefore, moving messages to the archive isn't actually going to save me any room, I don't think. Or have I misunderstood?

As regards 'exporting', I tried to do this before but, for some reason, not all messages seemed to have been exported.


Anyway, I have loads of room now, so should avoid any blockages for a while. :-)

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Well, it appears that Joseph Watt, who did a lot of these Razormaid remixes, has found 3 unreleased versions of 'Sub-Culture'.

I'm not sure if 'Facebook' links will work for everyone (you possibly need to be on FB), but here's the relevant post:

https://www.facebook.com.../posts/10224983104312617


If not, here are the links to the individual remixes on Soundcloud:

https://soundcloud.com/j...34RWNJmN2HkSe-_SHobtzs4k

https://soundcloud.com/j...4eLtzkxpHxOnsWJVfACvoBNE

https://soundcloud.com/j...0SntvWdv8JrHynd-m35WBFPE


I haven't had chance to listen to these yet, so don't blame me if they're crap!
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ROCKET MICK on 26/08/2020(UTC)
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#25 Posted : 25 August 2020 08:20:36(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: perspexorange Go to Quoted Post
Well, it appears that Joseph Watt, who did a lot of these Razormaid remixes, has found 3 unreleased versions of 'Sub-Culture'.


There are already 3 Razormaid versions - Sarm West, Berlin, and one with added vocals by Deborah Iyall from Romeo Void. Jeez, Joseph, if you didn't get it right the first time, give it up. Razormaid was much better when they were doing re-edits of existing mixes, and not using the master tracks to mix something new from the ground up.

Incidentally, the Sarm West mix is the one used by Record Mirror.
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