That interview is from 2013, at the height of his "old man yells at cloud" phase.

And if Hook's book about the Hacienda proves anything, it's that his memory can't be trusted. Even basic things in the book are wrong (and easily verified).

It came out in 2010, so it's been 10 years since I read it. Lots of dates, or he says *this* person did something when it was *that* person. I can't cite specifics, I just know there were enough factual errors that I didn't even bother to finish it.

I remember reading about that supposed ‘keyboard incident’ on these forums (someone mentioned it). I tried to find evidence of it by checking bootlegs etc.
Couldn’t find anything so think it must be either apocryphal or someone witnessed it at the time but it’s not apparent on the relevant bootleg.

But, yeah, that interviewer really sounds like he’s trying to stir shit. He was totally feeding into Hooky’s hatred.

I’m glad that things have calmed down these days, at least on the surface. I guess that the feelings are still the same, but we don’t get to read Hooky referring to Barney as El Twatto and Gillian as a ‘wonky table leg’. I’ve said it before, but Hook’s treatment of Gillian is the thing that bothers me the most about the split.

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Edited by user 07 February 2020 10:09:27(UTC)  | Reason: Missed the word "all" out so wanted to clarify...

Well..in all honesty...he usually was/is!


Could it be the hacienda 1983 show? Been ages since I saw it. Cant view the videos very well as we have crappy wifi where we are staying.

Found this after doing a search on google. It's a reply to a posting of the bbc 1984 show..but ot doesnt say any of the other stuff happened or even what show or shows:

***Mr. Moderator says:
03/09/2011 at 2:40 pm
I’m glad you brought up Gillian’s dress, BigSteve. At first I thought it was a frumpy housedress, until I noticed the pleats (plaits???). Then it started to look like an old-fashioned nurse’s outfit.

When I saw them live, probably around this time, the Stephen, drummer, often left his kit, which continued to hammer out that beat via programming (he mostly doubled the snare when he did play), to help Gillian, his woman, remember on what keys she needed to place her index fingers. It was the worst live show I’ve ever seen, at least the half dozen songs done in this style that I stuck around for before cutting out.

In terms of RIGHT and WRONG, I like the riff that Peter Hook plays on the bass but it’s all WRONG to hear those sounds coming out of a bass. Why not simply play guitar?****


Wonder how we could search on here. I've tried various search terms and combos and not much luck.

Edited by user 07 February 2020 11:17:33(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Well, it looks like the interview (and that particular keyboard mishap) was mentioned on these two threads before:

http://forums.neworderon...posts&t=971#post8145
http://forums.neworderon...osts&t=1001#post8428

But, as I said before, I'm pretty sure the thread where I originally saw that anecdote mentioned didn't link to any article. It was told as if someone was recalling something they'd seen, but it could very easily have been them repeating something they'd read (i.e. the interview).

The only gig that really springs to mind where Gillian totally ballsed up the keyboards was the gig that some people think was Canterbury Court and others think was Fox Theatre in 1985. 'Chosen Time' was played in completely the wrong key. Barney ends up laughing most of the way through and says 'that's a completely new tune we've made-up' and 'I'm sure we'll get the next one right' or similar.

But that gig was absolutely full of monumental fuck-ups by all three of them (not Steve!). And I love it. Their fragility and unpredictability are the some of the many reasons that I adore this band.


You know, re-reading that article has kind of brought that bad taste back into my mouth. The interviewer was so clearly up Hook's arse. And that 'shagging' comment is frankly horrible.

Same! I've often described them as the most frustrating band to love. But they're also one of the most rewarding.

That's part of what made them so great and so fun. The raw and unpredictable chaos.
They were just real.

That said...maybe this account about steve and Gillian was misinterpreted and he was just annoyed with the equipment not her. Hes rather goofy and one might not have gotten it. Who knows.

I didn't know that. I have to be honest though, I'm not great at working things like that out and am probably a little tone deaf. I know when things aren't right but can't always tell what's in tune and what isn't.

Sorry to Gillian for casting aspersions. I'm annoyed with myself now...

Wondering If the show in question might be this one described in hookys book. A denmark festival I guess around 86/87:

"Everyone was very worried but as we pulled her up we noticed her eyes rolling, and that she was pissed . . . as a fart! The bloody Elephant beers had struck. We dusted her off and got her to the stage where she slurred, ‘I’m all right. I’m all right.’ And then went on to play the keyboards with what Barney once again described as ‘A BLOODY ORANGE!’ The noise was terrible. Steve grinned and bore it, but at one point it got much too much for me and I had to go and hide behind my bass cabs, it was so embarrassing. Everything was way, way out of tune (which fortunately may have worked in this jazz setting). The roadies all had their hands over their ears, and believe you me they’d heard a few dodgy ’uns in their time. At one point I even pushed Barney out as he tried to join me behind the cabs, with him shouting, ‘No, no, let me in.’ I’d like to say the set flew by, but I can’t, it was excruciating, and at the end me and Barney stormed off, leaving Steve to escort the inebriated Gillian"

Does anyone know where to find it? I'm gathering its Copenhagen as listed on the live database here.

Edited by user 07 February 2020 19:04:08(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

I believe he's referring to this gig at Aarhus Stadium, Aarhus, Denmark on 27/06/87:

https://www.mdmarchive.co.uk/artefact/3798/

Hooky says that Miles Davis also played there, so that ties up with this listing on setlist.fm:

https://www.setlist.fm/s...us-denmark-33f66c45.html

As far as I'm aware, this is one of those few gigs where a bootleg isn't in circulation. I'm guessing that this is probably due to the fact it was a jazz festival and, as Hooky puts it, was full of geriatrics (so not your typical NO fans/ bootleggers).

Not a lot seems to be known about this NO gig (probably due to there not being a bootleg) and it seems that most of the usual fans didn't make it out to Denmark.


PS also, I agree with £50note - let's try and keep the discussion of this to one thread.

Edited by user 08 February 2020 01:44:48(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

In this interview with New Order (edit: just Stephen & Gillian i think) from The Guardian in 2016 they talk about their chaotic and drunken appearance at the Aarhus Festival in Denmark, 1987.There's a photo of Barney on stage at some festival but it's not captioned exactly where but one of the commenters below thinks it was a festival in Denmark but possibly Roskilde one year, so maybe not Aarhus? Sorry, this still doesn't answer the question about whether or not the incident with Steve & Gillian happened or not.So not much help really! Still, an interesting little interview where the band talk about various festivals they've done.




New Order: Our Favourite Festivals - Guardian Interview, 2016

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