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#1 Posted : 05 August 2018 00:06:34(UTC)
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Ok ,some may be offended ,but I don't care .
After seeing another magazine book in the grocery store about Tom Petty, I have to comment .
Hooky started singing on movement ,I think, and came back I thought on Fine Time , but it was Bernard. Then Revenge happened and he sang magnificently ,unlike third rate poseurs like petty and Billy Corgan to name a few, and thanks to Andy ,who does stalwart work for this site , and posted about Corgan on another thread, and reminded me of the show where someone, not me ,threw a shoe at corgan, well it was bliss.
Then I read an old Mojo , and Bernard remembered a guy interested in singing for NO after Ian died, but Bernard said the guy liked Steely Dan so no way. What a great story ,unless you like Steely Dan.'
So back to Hooky -- he writes songs that are still wonderful , and guess what ?
My playlist for Tom Petty is Zero, Springsteen - one ,I'm on fire , Sir Reggie the candle up the butt guy , maybe 6 songs, but bernie tampon deserves credit ,too . And how about Queen, I guess i have to maybe get a best of disk and decide if I want to burn the overbite's songs .
In other words , Hooky and his solo career has given the world more great songs than 4 icons of overratedness, to make few .
Just his song Marine ,from Monaco, is better than most attempts by numerous other silly bands,
More on the Mojo article later, loads of great words about The Get Ready sessions, and our heroes, at least they better be ,because the Smashing Pumkins sure aren't
PS - when new order is over, and done there had better be a lot of magazine books in grocery stores about everyone , including Gillian ,Tom, Phil, and by the way why is not Ian so rewarded ,he is a thousand million times better than Tom flipping petty
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#2 Posted : 06 August 2018 06:33:26(UTC)
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I like a bit of positivity, but I'm afraid a lot of this is not borne out historically.
The Light always give a fine gig, but you can't honestly rate Hooky as singer or songwriter. Revenge is easily the worst LP to come out of this camp - at least the Other Two manage the occasional gem - and while GWP and M4P are strong, I'm convinced that's largely Pottsy's work. Even superegotistical Hooky admitted One True Passion was rushed because he just wanted to gig, and the reviews were atrocious. Monaco was good but MOR, à la Freebass.
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#3 Posted : 06 August 2018 22:19:53(UTC)
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A well put together "Hooky Solo Works & Collaborations" compilation album would be better than any New Order compilation that only contains work after Technique. He's done nothing worth commenting on for so long now though. Shame. Perhaps he knows he can't begin to match Music Complete as a complete album. I'd like him to try though.

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I'm convinced that's largely Pottsy's work.

I'm not. Do you have his solo album? Fun, but nothing close to the standard, and interest, of the second Monoco album.

Agreed that Freebass was very MoR… wrong singer… still enjoyed much of it though.

Anyway, love the stuff done with Hybrid, Crystal Method… etc.

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#4 Posted : 07 August 2018 03:38:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Spittingcat Go to Quoted Post
Do you have his solo album? Fun, but nothing close to the standard, and interest, of the second Monoco album.

Didn't bother, but it must be better than Revenge.
There are loads of great offshoots and one-offs. http://forums.neworderon...osts&m=9464#post9464
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#5 Posted : 08 August 2018 21:29:55(UTC)
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One of the fun things is to intersperse those 90's songs into several cd's of about 15 songs each .Being a Luddite when it comes to playlists ,streaming and random play is too impersonal.I would rather have tangible physical things . So putting some great E Electronic songs with some Monaco songs ,and the God forsaken Revenge songs ( ok ,start with one), and add a dab of TOTAY ( i found one ,hurray,), and some normal pleasant songs from NO ,such as Republic , et voila, a never-ending story , a myriad of possibilities , the band that goes on forever ,pleasing , propelling one to further ecstasy, nirvana, and bliss..
Other news, Nick Mason ,see new Mojo, is prepping for a tour of early PF ,with Barrett songs, and early songs ,perhaps up to DSOTM. How about them Apple's and oranges.
And before I sleep, I must announce that I think I have found an action figure to represent Bernard- it is a 12" Ken doll in a white jumpsuit ,with Texas A and M logo, all it needs is the veritas deer/dog and a falling leaf ,and he will seduce catwoman, thrash villians like the joker, and whack all those dreadful wrestling heroes filling up Wal-Mart shelf space. Ah what a wonderful world, an eternity of New Order and Pink Floyd, cheers
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#6 Posted : 08 August 2018 22:17:24(UTC)
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Gosh ,I completely forgot to mention an Ian McCulloch song, either Toad or Fear of the Known, he sings "optimismism ,dead but never sung" , he is so optimistic, likeable , and positive, but I wish he would try chantrix to stop smoking
Also , I thought they all wrote songs together, no one claiming ownership, but if not ,then Bernard is the best ,better than P Simon, B Dylan , JLennon , and P Mccartney, but if they share credit on all songs ,then Danny Kirwan takes top honors for most nice,pretty ,interesting and beautiful songs
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#7 Posted : 02 December 2018 16:06:03(UTC)
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Hooky still co-owns the Factory Club in Manchester doesn't he? Well he does if THIS is still accurate.

I'm pretty sure bouncers are meant to restrain and manage difficult patrons, as opposed to thumping someone in an 8 on 1 situation. I suspect the 'thumpee' was causing trouble, but I'm not convinced that this is how to handle him:




**EDIT** Factory have just posted this on their twitter:


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full version of statement

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#8 Posted : 03 December 2018 01:51:51(UTC)
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This 'FAC' club is well known for a history of door violence. Its a student venue, nothing to do with Factory ethos and run by a nightclub group with Hooky/FAC as the brand.

No doubt Hooky will write another book it, 'How not to run a club, Part 2'. Or release a JD/NO orchestral backing track to the video with Bez 'n' Rowetta. All proceeds to the victims of course.




Originally Posted by: Debaser Go to Quoted Post
Hooky still co-owns the Factory Club in Manchester doesn't he? Well he does if THIS is still accurate.

I'm pretty sure bouncers are meant to restrain and manage difficult patrons, as opposed to thumping someone in an 8 on 1 situation. I suspect the 'thumpee' was causing trouble, but I'm not convinced that this is how to handle him:




**EDIT** Factory have just posted this on their twitter:


Click pic for full statement
full version of statement


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#9 Posted : 03 December 2018 07:25:55(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: tapebias Go to Quoted Post
run by a nightclub group with Hooky/FAC as the brand.
Yeah that's the impression I got. Doesn't look like he does any day-to-day stuff.

Originally Posted by: tapebias Go to Quoted Post

No doubt Hooky will write another book it, 'How not to run a club, Part 2'. Or release a JD/NO orchestral backing track to the video with Bez 'n' Rowetta. All proceeds to the victims of course.


Very good! Are you Hooky's manager?

The story has made it to the front page of the BBC News website today.
I think they're referring to the guy that we see hitting the ground right at the start of the clip (he doesn't get up again) rather than the guy who got thumped for most of the video. Bleeding on the brain is NOT good.



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#10 Posted : 03 December 2018 10:42:01(UTC)
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Absolutely horrific.

It sounds like the two victims are probably going to be ok, but this could easily have led to at least one fatality.
It also sounds like the Police are acting swiftly. Bloody good job.

As others have said, I imagine Hooky is just a 'figurehead' for the club and not having much to do with the running of it (unlike the Haç).
However, I'm sure he is absolutely horrified by this, like anyone viewing the footage.

I do feel for Hooky; this is not something that you want attached to your name.
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#11 Posted : 03 December 2018 12:41:14(UTC)
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The current security firm (contract now terminated) were employed as the previous security firm were removed due to using excessive force. FAC251 is well known locally for violent door staff.

If P.Hooky wanted to make a statement he could get more involved or walk away but as long as the money keeps rolling in......
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