http://www.neworder.com/...ement-with-former-b.html

"New Order announce that today, a full and final settlement has been reached in the long running disputes with their former bassist Peter Hook.

The disputes were based upon Hook's use of various New Order and Joy Division assets on merchandising and in the promotion of shows by his new band, and the amount of money he receives from the use of the name New Order by his former colleagues since 2011.

The Joy Division and New Order names mean a great deal to so many of the fans, and the band felt it important to protect the legacy.

With these issues now dealt with, Bernard, Stephen and Gillian can continue to do what they do best, make music and perform live."

Speculation time :

- Hooky's use of the name, logos/associated imagery, and touring as The Light playing nothing but JD/NO material has probably affected the commercial outcome, as he cannot show he has prevented from trading / working by leaving NO.
- Also implied that the %age paid for past use by current New Order has now been adjusted upwards, possibly with a payment to reflect this
- Any payment will also have control strings around Hook's use of NO / JD assets, name, imagery, etc in future
- NO felt that it better to reach agreement now rather than drag all these issues into court
- Hooky may have been advised by otehrs (Joyce/Tolhurst?) that court cases expesive, risky, and in Tolhursts case could have bankrupted him

Interesting that Chappers and Phil aren't listed in this ; maybe they weren't the key defendents but more likely witnesses etc. Out of Court settlement also does not mean admission of, or declaration of guilt, in any case on either side.

I'm glad it's over : I thought the costs may likely have bankrupted Hooky to be honest.

Good it appears to be over though.

Hook said something along the lines of 'you can enjoy both' on his Twitter the other day in relation to his gigs and no's Hollywood bowl gig

I thought it was odd at the time but this is obviously the reason why


I personally wanted it to go to court,hook to lose and become bankrupt for all the bitter stomping and shouting he's done over the last few years

Bit of a 'True Faith' day for New Order fans.

I used to think that the day would never come

I'm sure Peter will still call Bernard a twat at every possible opportunity - I can't help but think he might be feeling a bit disappointed that this is all (supposedly) over, I pictured him wringing another book out of the court case.

Why? What's he ever done to you? Moaned a lot in some interviews? Kin 'ell.

Edited by user 20 September 2017 05:47:30(UTC)  | Reason: That cover of Atmosphere he did was shit and HE MUST PAY!!!!

Wait, I've got some proper facts from twitter!

Made. Past tense.

Get Ready was mostly awful, and WFTSC had 2-3 good tracks, but the Sumner-Hook lineup hasn't made a truly great New Order album since 1989.

If Hook hadn't left, we'd have never gotten an album as sublime as Music Complete. Honestly, two years later I'm still in awe that they created an album so terrific nearly 40 years into their career. How many bands do that? The Cure hasn't released an album in 10 years, and their last decent one was 25 years ago. Depeche Mode has been treading water since 1993. Shit like Rock The Shack should never have seen the light of day, and having attended a couple of Peter Hook gigs, I'm convinced that whole cheesy rockist vibe was his influence. New Order is better than that.

Hooky's never been this quiet has he? Not even a similar statement to NO's on his social media. Not even something saying a settlement has been reached and he won't be discussing it further. Nothing at all. When was the last time he actually shut up like this?

I''ve Just thought the exact same thing

He hasn't tweeted I'm 24 hours the poor old git must be raging inside

to be singled out for stupid posts on this website has took some doing i'm quite proud of myself! thanks!

he'll have settled for it as that's what his legal team have told him to do

no doubt he now hates them along with everybody else in the world (other than his son and maybe rowetta) and they'll feel the wrath in his next book

I've signed more than one settlement agreement with companies. I know how these things work.

Any and all statements will have been agreed amongst, alongside a 'be nice in public, or at the very least say nothing horrid about each other' clause.

If the above isn't in there, that's the first time I will ever have seen any clause like that omitted in three decades.

It's a contract that sets out an agreement that settles any areas of dispute in mutually agreed terms for clarity.

I think we have a first post-settlement Hook interview.

"...in 2007, they wanted to carry on, him & Steve... I wouldn't have minded, ...the problem was how they did it."
Plus ca change...?

Hook considers a fiction book:

Also says Technique is his favourite album. Not clear if he means fave NO album or a bigger picture.

An Australian radio station also did a looong interview with him. Sounds like he was on his mobile phone in an airport. It's pre-recorded so it may be a few days old.
I get the impression that it's a small rado station and the presenter just lets Hooky waffle on and agrees with everything.

Anyway it's HERE. From about 16 mins to 40mins, non stop.
I skipped through it a bit but, things that caught my ear:

It was Bobby Gillespie's idea to play the albums (I can't find it now. somewhere between 16 and 24 mins)
20 Mins: the only people who don't seem to enjoy what I'm doing is the rest of the band.
25.50: "Here we are in 2017 being as difficult as we possibly can with each other"
27 Mins: "When I watch new order now, it doesn't look like they're a happy little camp"
33 - 36 mins: Warners collector series is happening, with albums being released as box sets like the Led Zep II reissue. Hook says it was his idea and Warners said yes. Says a photographer has taken pics of the gear used to make each album.
36 mins: Spotify: you can dial up all your albums and play them in their entirety (uh oh, cue forum Spotify arguments!)
38 mins: Trying to persuade Pottsy to do a Monaco LP...in January. "I am a creative musician".

Wow this ----person doesn't seem the ----. He seems a bit ----and ----. He probably ----and thinks ------- is good for the world.Oh dear.

Lol

Edited by user 24 September 2017 04:21:45(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified