Something for the obsessives. https://docs.google.com/...cEBwayJ9knZ-NoAul5O8/pub
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I can't realistically see a Substance remaster... Interesting fact: In 1994 Hooky told Radio One they were going to release Substance 2 featuring their rerecording of LWTUA and maybe some remixes on the CD. All bollocks of course as they wouldn't even be seen in the same hemisphere together, let alone in a studio massacring an oldie.
Speaking of dodgy reissues, PIL's Greatest Hits So Far: the inferior ThisIsNotALoveSong LP version displaces the awesome single, Bad Life isn't included and Careering (not even a single) is. I think the majors do this kind of thing on purpose to give forum users things to point out to each other.

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Off the top of my head the albums i remember buying in 1987 apart from Substance were Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me by The Cure, Actually by Pet Shop Boys and Darklands by Jesus & Mary Chain.Probs a few more i've long forgotten.Oh and Strangeways Here We Come by The Smiths i associate vividly with 1987.I didn't actually buy it but heard all the songs on John Peel and recorded a lot of them off his end of year festive 50 shows.I was torn because i loved a lot of the songs on Strangeways but around that era there was a bit of rivalry i awlays thought between New Order and The Smiths, aggravated by Morrissey seemingly dissing JD and NO a few times in years previously.Peel's end of year festive 50 was regularly my chance to catch up and record off the radio all the songs i hadn't heard or even heard of over the previous 12 months, what with the interweb/YouTube/peer to peer sharing not around back then,obvs.


Listened to some of The Cure's Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss me (triple) album a while back for the first time since god knows when and it sounded pretty dated apart from the still magnificent Just Like Heaven.

By a happy coincidence 'World in Motion' was the same time as the 10th anniversary of Ian's death and NME ran articles on both. They quoted Morrissey saying he'd seen JD before the death (not after, that'd be difficult) and was 'enormously unmoved - as were most of the audience.' He continued that he didn't get the fascination around NO or 'feel anything strong for them... To me, it's all myth.' Obviously this wasn't what I wanted to hear but it did strike me as an articulate and reasonable comment, unlike Hooky's name-calling... In '91 Marred Johnny said Hooky actually asked to collaborate but Bernard got there first and that's when Peter started dissing the Smiths and Johnny in particular. Mind you, he hates everyone except a dead singer and his son.

Well, I prefer the 87 version to both of the 82 versions. I think it does depend on which you heard first.

I wish they had released a full 7 minute version of the 98 reworking because it was pretty good too.

I think as the band themselves have admitted, Temptation never worked all that well in the studio. Much better live.

Well I heard the substnsce versions first and when I heard the original ceremony and temptation I thought they were demos. Very rough, with out of tuned guitars, poor mixing and drums and plodding.

The 87 temptation is near perfection except the plinky plonky sequencer sounds sonically too similar to Bernard's guitar picking part and not distinguished enough.

First version of Temptation i heard was the fantastic live version on the Dec 83 Radio 1 broadcast of the April 83 Kilkenny gig . The 1982 7" & 12" both have their high points and low points but difficult to imagine them on Substance. The trouble with the 87 version recorded for Substance is they tried to recreate the live version and didn't really capture the vibe and/or energy. The same can be said for the 87 recording of Confusion for Substance- tried to recreate the live version but doesn't have the sheer energy of , say, the live version they did of it at the Kilkenny 83 gig.


As for the version of Ceremony that is on Substance, I always found it quite lifeless, lame an restrained and never understood why it's everyone's favourite version . Alright, the first version had recording and mixing problems but at least it has fucking life and energy to it. But hey this is all just my view and opinion and we all know what opinions and arseholes have in common.

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Hooky doesn't get lost in the second verse.

Hooky doesn't get lost in the second verse.

Hooky doesn't get lost in the second verse.