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JDK		#51 Posted : 19 August 2015 17:04:43(UTC)
Rank: Candidate Groups: Registered Joined: 19/08/2015(UTC) Posts: 2 Location: Connecticut Was thanked: 4 time(s) in 2 post(s)		Does it even matter how the album sounds, as it pertains to Hooky? He knew he would hate it before he heard a single note.

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Rorschach		#52 Posted : 20 August 2015 02:00:14(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 25/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 268 Location: Salford Thanks: 610 times Was thanked: 394 time(s) in 266 post(s)		Not in the slightest, no. And, yes, we did. I only come on this thread to assess the mood - I have long since given up on my longtime bass hero. Enough said.

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Andy		#53 Posted : 20 August 2015 07:30:57(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,219 Location: Seaside, California Thanks: 1659 times Was thanked: 3338 time(s) in 2239 post(s)		Hooky leaving New Order was the right thing to do. The band would no longer be functioning with him there anyway, based on his sentiments. What's frustrating for me is that he is trying to make it difficult for New Order (and their fans) to move on. They don't appear to be hindering him in his endeavors. He quickly needs to come to the realization that this will only continue to cast him in a bad Light.
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Coops		#54 Posted : 21 August 2015 02:55:48(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 25/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 448 Location: Xiberia Thanks: 34 times Was thanked: 611 time(s) in 456 post(s)		Originally Posted by: JG One thing the imminent release of Music Complete has brought into sharp focus is that New Order have a future, while Hooky doesn't. Au contraire...

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Big Mouth Julio		#55 Posted : 22 August 2015 11:13:13(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 26/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 316 Location: São Luís - Brasil Thanks: 26 times Was thanked: 346 time(s) in 318 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Coops Originally Posted by: JG One thing the imminent release of Music Complete has brought into sharp focus is that New Order have a future, while Hooky doesn't. Au contraire... They are not New Order without Hooky. Just Bernard's band. Edited by user 22 August 2015 11:14:40(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified
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tarbox23		#56 Posted : 22 August 2015 21:19:48(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Republic Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 119 Location: mystic, ct Thanks: 58 times Was thanked: 156 time(s) in 120 post(s)		New single sounds like New Order to me, Julio... not sure what you are listening to.
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jasonk848		#57 Posted : 27 August 2015 14:47:07(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Village Groups: Registered Joined: 23/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 90 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Thanks: 1 times Was thanked: 100 time(s) in 90 post(s)		A few things - All of it is really sad. Does anyone know if there actually is a lawsuit? Is there a way to look this up? There is one Freebass track I like, and I can't remember which one. I will go find it. Bernard looks damn good in that vid. The Hooky stuff is really sad...
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Jcp7		#58 Posted : 27 August 2015 15:10:47(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Movement Groups: Registered Joined: 25/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 559 Location: Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes, France Thanks: 12 times Was thanked: 699 time(s) in 561 post(s)		I really don't care what Hooky think about the new NO album. I gave up reading all the ITWs he did for 4 or 5 years. It's always the same jealousy. He should go in hell!
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keepitcoming		#59 Posted : 27 August 2015 15:24:39(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 06/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 407 Location: texas Thanks: 6 times Was thanked: 467 time(s) in 406 post(s)		Peter and Roger might work well together. Lots of pent-up anger, but i would hope for mellowness as well . they are both fine singers and songwriters , one is a most interesting bassist. Peter will keep working , i hope so .
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poisoned snickers 2015		#60 Posted : 29 August 2015 21:56:36(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Village Groups: Registered Joined: 23/05/2015(UTC) Posts: 53 Thanks: 8 times Was thanked: 65 time(s) in 53 post(s)		Originally Posted by: keepitcoming Peter and Roger might work well together...... currently awaiting PINK LIGHT's debut release - Another Hook On The Wall
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ersatz01		#61 Posted : 30 August 2015 19:45:15(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Village Groups: Registered Joined: 25/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 76 Location: Los Angeles, CA Thanks: 55 times Was thanked: 112 time(s) in 75 post(s)		Originally Posted by: keepitcoming Peter and Roger might work well together. Lots of pent-up anger, but i would hope for mellowness as well . they are both fine singers and songwriters , one is a most interesting bassist. Peter will keep working , i hope so . Roger Waters can write new music. New Order's former bassist? Not so much. Edited by user 30 August 2015 19:45:50(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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keepitcoming		#62 Posted : 30 August 2015 21:54:40(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 06/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 407 Location: texas Thanks: 6 times Was thanked: 467 time(s) in 406 post(s)		My Playlists songs for solo hook includes maybe a dozen or so revenge and Monaco songs , whereas roger' s playlist , even with some wall and final cut songs is fewer than ten, the only song after pf is the nice Jeff beck intro to amused to death. The 14 twisted tenderness songs offer more listening pleasure than both hook and waters combined
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keepitcoming		#63 Posted : 30 August 2015 23:56:26(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 06/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 407 Location: texas Thanks: 6 times Was thanked: 467 time(s) in 406 post(s)		I meant solo career for roger , I loved the guy , he led the band wonderfully , But the dark side of the hook is in a lonely place. I hope pink light stays together for a tour and nobody meddles. And forgive me for two posts in a row , I hope it is not illegal
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World Domination: Complete		#64 Posted : 31 August 2015 01:37:38(UTC)
Rank: Member with Technique Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 793 Location: in a house Thanks: 894 times Was thanked: 1022 time(s) in 811 post(s)		We should have another rant soon. he ca't help himself
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markreed		#65 Posted : 31 August 2015 01:56:15(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Republic Groups: Registered Joined: 02/05/2012(UTC) Posts: 229 Location: Somewhere, GB Thanks: 3 times Was thanked: 353 time(s) in 229 post(s)		As I understood it, Gillian left due to the illness of her daughter and did not return due toc ancer. To criticise her for that is immoral. Phil C was in Electronic's 1998-1999 lineup and was chosen by Johnny, and then joined New Order around 2000 so, for a brief period, the band may have been a five piece with Phil and Gillian. Then Gillian left. Hooky's been reminding me of the abusive husband who threatened his wife with leaving her too many times, and told her "You'll never cope without me!". When he left, he may have expected her to capitulate competely and beg him to return. Which didn't happen. Now he's the guy who's found his ex- has somebody new, whilst yelling at strangers that "SHE'S MINE!". These blog posts are actually embarrassing, and actually cost him in terms of reputation and how he is percieved by some of his most once-loyal constituents. No one can deny The Light are a great night out and a good live prospect. But every year Hook performs his nostalgia museum is a year I don't get a new record by a quite talented but furious bass player. He got beaten to the punch here, and it's not as if New Order rushed it : Hook could've come out with a Light album anytime in the past five years... and totally stolen New Order's thunder in the 'new album' stakes.
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World Domination: Complete		#66 Posted : 31 August 2015 02:00:21(UTC)
Rank: Member with Technique Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 793 Location: in a house Thanks: 894 times Was thanked: 1022 time(s) in 811 post(s)		Can't wait to here the new material Originally Posted by: markreed As I understood it, Gillian left due to the illness of her daughter and did not return due toc ancer. To criticise her for that is immoral. Phil C was in Electronic's 1998-1999 lineup and was chosen by Johnny, and then joined New Order around 2000 so, for a brief period, the band may have been a five piece with Phil and Gillian. Then Gillian left. Hooky's been reminding me of the abusive husband who threatened his wife with leaving her too many times, and told her "You'll never cope without me!". When he left, he may have expected her to capitulate competely and beg him to return. Which didn't happen. Now he's the guy who's found his ex- has somebody new, whilst yelling at strangers that "SHE'S MINE!". These blog posts are actually embarrassing, and actually cost him in terms of reputation and how he is percieved by some of his most once-loyal constituents. No one can deny The Light are a great night out and a good live prospect. But every year Hook performs his nostalgia museum is a year I don't get a new record by a quite talented but furious bass player. He got beaten to the punch here, and it's not as if New Order rushed it : Hook could've come out with a Light album anytime in the past five years... and totally stolen New Order's thunder in the 'new album' stakes.
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Jozek		#67 Posted : 21 September 2015 10:52:30(UTC)
Rank: Young Offender Groups: Registered Joined: 26/06/2015(UTC) Posts: 32 Location: UK Thanks: 20 times Was thanked: 47 time(s) in 32 post(s)		There is an update on Hooky's blog here: http://www.peterhook.co.uk/#/blogs/hookys-blog

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tf1987		#68 Posted : 24 September 2015 16:29:56(UTC)
Rank: Candidate Groups: Registered Joined: 24/09/2015(UTC) Posts: 6 Thanks: 5 times Was thanked: 6 time(s) in 6 post(s)		Quote: The bass is relegated to a backing role, just how he likes it, in fact everything is in a backing role. I know 'Restless' is not the strongest song on the album, but how can he get the impression that everything/everyone but Bernard is in a backing role? Quote: The whole song seems programmed to within an inch of it’s life His ears must be different from mine; Restless doesn't sound programmed at all. Quote: I feel sorry for the fans… waiting 10 years for some material with our name on it and getting presented with this? There are quite a few fans (and even critics and reviewers) who enjoy the album, generally speaking. Has Hooky written any new material (besides Freebass)? I don't think so. All he's done for the past 7 or 8 years are JD/NO album gigs, DJing (or what appears to be it), talking about the Hacienda, Joy Division, and New Order's past. If Hooky can write new material (preferably an album) and get better reviews/opinions than Music Complete, then he has a point. But until then, he should keep his mouth shut. Quote: The guy is a fucking moron as well as a liar (allegedly;) it’s time you knew the truth and I will write to MOJO and provide the proof. It's not classy to insult people in public like that. In this blog post he said he'll write to Mojo, and the newest blog post (posted in that other thread) shows that letter, but how could he think Mojo would bother to publish that drivel? Quote: My wife keeps telling me off, telling me to stop, to focus on how much I enjoy what I do now and not take any notice of the others. His wife seems to have more sense than him. Quote: They should be boycotted by every New Order Fan…they do not deserve your support. They are Thieves…’Thieves like them’ hee hee;) He has no right to tell fans what they should think about the new New Order. Let us fans decide for ourselves if they are New Order or not, and if they are worth supporting.

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Coops		#69 Posted : 24 September 2015 23:18:14(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 25/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 448 Location: Xiberia Thanks: 34 times Was thanked: 611 time(s) in 456 post(s)		I do worry that on days like today Hooky must be just that little bit closer to a heart attack. Edited by user 24 September 2015 23:19:06(UTC) \| Reason: Up all night with the baby and now typing like a knobhead.

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GotBlueEyes		#70 Posted : 25 September 2015 06:53:13(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 25/09/2015(UTC) Posts: 341 Thanks: 152 times Was thanked: 631 time(s) in 340 post(s)		I’m guessing that sooner or later there will be stems doing the rounds of the remixers for various tracks. Who would put money on these leaking to Hooky and him whacking a load of “trademark” basslines over the top? As much as this feud is painful to witness – that would be a genuine stroke of wind-up genius!

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Rorschach		#71 Posted : 25 September 2015 07:23:34(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 25/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 268 Location: Salford Thanks: 610 times Was thanked: 394 time(s) in 266 post(s)		I disagree; it would be absolutely fucking pathetic. So don't rule it out. "1st class ticket with a 3rd rate view."

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Papabendi		#72 Posted : 25 September 2015 07:42:38(UTC)
Rank: Candidate Groups: Registered Joined: 20/09/2015(UTC) Posts: 10 Location: London Thanks: 1 times Was thanked: 14 time(s) in 10 post(s)		It will be interesting to see how he spins it (if he chooses to, although I sense he won't be able to resist) but I suspect his heart will have sank by the quality of it. I guess one approach will be that he says it doesn't 'sound like New Order' in places, as some tracks are a departure. I worry a bit for his mental state after this one - and he has been caught totally wrong footed after his comments on Restless.

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surface		#73 Posted : 25 September 2015 10:34:03(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Republic Groups: Registered Joined: 27/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 133 Location: Alderley Edge Was thanked: 199 time(s) in 139 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Papabendi It will be interesting to see how he spins it (if he chooses to, although I sense he won't be able to resist) but I suspect his heart will have sank by the quality of it. I guess one approach will be that he says it doesn't 'sound like New Order' in places, as some tracks are a departure. I worry a bit for his mental state after this one - and he has been caught totally wrong footed after his comments on Restless. It must be a challenge for him. I see him quite regularly around Alderley Edge as he lives close to the village centre whereas Bernard is a short car drive away. Outside of his bitterness towards NO I always find him a very pleasant guy who has time for anyone who approaches him. Its a real shame he took the approach that he did.

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Dreams_Never_End		#74 Posted : 25 September 2015 11:22:48(UTC)
Rank: Young Offender Groups: Registered Joined: 07/01/2013(UTC) Posts: 29 Location: London Thanks: 1 times Was thanked: 40 time(s) in 28 post(s)		Just seen this from Hooky on Twitter: https://twitter.com/pete...tatus/647484296287096832

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M1		#75 Posted : 25 September 2015 15:39:11(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Republic Groups: Registered Joined: 29/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 243 Location: Adelaide Thanks: 112 times Was thanked: 309 time(s) in 243 post(s)		My estimation of Hooky would go up so much if he would just tweet "Yer know what? It's good."

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