As I'm sure we've all seen, Lol Tolhurst from The Cure had a go at Hooky:

http://craigjparker.blogspot.co...ous-comments-in-new.html

At the end, they bring up the Sunkist ad. Now, as far as I was aware, it didn't happen and that clip was put together for the New Order Story documentary.

Was that the case?

So, I just noticed tonight, after all these years, that the very end of the Brain Mix of Blue Monday (from the EU Blue Monday 95 CD single) includes the lyrics from said Sunkist ad, but somewhat buried in the mix. I had to rewind the CD, play the same section again, and listen carefully to make sure I was hearing what I thought I was hearing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2g9UJdH4MM

The ad certainly exists, no idea how much, if at all, it was broadcast.

Two versions of the ad do exist. What you see and hear in that clip is most of one of them.

So it seems to be the case that it might have been stopped after it was recorded and filmed.

Edited by user 20 April 2019 00:45:16(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

I remember reading somewhere that the track, in addition to the altered lyrics, was also remixed for its appearance in the advert by Mike "Hitman" Wilson, who was also responsible for the track MTO, the b-side of the Run 2 single.

Here's the part of the Brain Mix that includes the lyrics from the Sunkist ad which is, as far as I'm aware, the only appearance of those lyrics in a commercially available version of the song: https://youtu.be/nTpK6KR4J3c?t=286

Edited by user 20 April 2019 01:13:48(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

I remember reading somewhere back in the day that Barney re-recorded the vocals for Blue Monday in 1988, ready for the Quincey / Potoker remix. However, the remixers decided against using these, opting for the original 1983 vocals.

As regards the '95 version, I've always assumed what you said above; that the vocals on these mixes were the ones recorded, but never used, back in 1988. I can't imagine that Sumner went back into the studio in '95 to re-record them (the band being in 'non-New Order mode' at the time).

It certainly seems possible that Sumner recorded the Sunkist lines at the same time as the new vocal (i.e. in 1988). As you pointed out, this would certainly explain why those lines made it onto a '95 remix. Perhaps these were accidentally released and shouldn't've been 'leaked' to remixers.

Incidentally, does anyone know other adverts which have included the band's music?

Ones that I know of are:

Sunkist (US) (1988) (Blue Monday)
American Express Blue (UK) (1998 and again in 2001) (Blue Monday)
Ford Falcon (Australia) (2002) (Slow Jam)
VW Golf GTi (Germany?) (2004) (Frenté's version of BLT)
Mars (UK) (2006) (Blue Monday)
Indesit Moon (?) (2007) (Hey Now What You Doing)
Absolut Vodka (?) (2009) (Fall On Your Sword's version of Ceremony)
Mars (UK) (2010) (World In Motion)
BMV 6 Series (?) (Moby's version of New Dawn Fades)
BT Plus (UK) (2018) (Blue Monday)
Calvin Klein (2019) (True Faith)

Any I've missed?

It's possible that Sumner recorded them in '95. I just always assumed that they were the unused '88 vocals.
Mainly due to the fact that the band were in 'can't be arsed' mode around '95 and probably thought 'why bother re-recording them, when we have unheard versions sitting in the vaults'.

With Let's Go, I think Baker / Sumner used the vocals recorded in 1987. From another thread:



The Confusion thing was always puzzling to me. There's some of those mixes, still to this day, that I have trouble working out which vocal they've used. Some of them are easy to spot, but others not so much. I think some of them use Sumner's backing vocals from the '83 version high in the mix. Also, I've also suspected that one or two of them might use the '87 vocals, at least in part.

^ Seconded.

As for the youtube clip that Mr Zeiter linked to, has anyone ever read the comments underneath? I did some time ago, and they're still there.
If this guy is who he says he is/was, then you kind of have an answer as to whether it was ever broadcast:

Cary Raffle:


So Mr Raffles' vcersion of events suggests this was a demo advert made by the ad agency (clearly with the vox re-recorded) but Sunkist themselves didn't want to go with it. The fact that there are clips from the TBTHOG vid would seem to comfirm (to me) that this wasn't a final version of the advert.

Furthernore I wouldn't be surprised if Rob didn't actually stop them doing the Sunkist advert (why would they have even recorded the new vox if he stopped them?). Perhaps it simply didn't happen because Sunkist didn't want it - the ad agency failed to sell the idea to Sunkist. So a different spin may have been put on the story by people (Rob himself?) at the Factory/NO end of the 'deal'. No one likes to say they were rejected, right? Why print the truth when you can print the legend?

None of the 2002 Confusion remixes use any of the 1987 re-recording vocals, principally because the original 1983 and 2002 versions are all in D minor, and the 1987 version is in A flat minor. Early promos of the 2002 mixes all featured the 1983 vocals. Barney recorded a new vocal that was used in some of the mixes on the CD single and the Koma & Bones mixes on Retro and the 12 x 12" vinyl.

Edited by user 20 April 2019 08:26:07(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Thanks. I didn't know about the differences in key.



They sound like the original 1983 vocals to me. Maybe a bit more echoey.

Sounds like the same vocal take to me - albeit digitally sped up a bit for the Brain Mix's faster tempo.