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perspexorange		#26 Posted : 07 April 2023 16:43:37(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,375 Location: Salop Thanks: 503 times Was thanked: 3821 time(s) in 2373 post(s)		So, any chance our heroes might get in? I’m 50:50 on the whole ‘they totally deserve it’ verses ‘it’s just a load of pandering to music executives’. I think, on the whole, I’d be happy if they made it, but completely non-plussed if they didn’t.

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steinomite		#27 Posted : 10 April 2023 09:08:50(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Village Groups: Registered Joined: 04/10/2012(UTC) Posts: 80 Location: Chicago Thanks: 4 times Was thanked: 148 time(s) in 80 post(s)		FYI - the "fan vote" only counts as ONE additional ballot in addition to the votes cast by the approximately 1,000 official Hall of Fame voting members. In the other words, the fan vote is essentially meaningless. For example, Dave Matthews Band won the fan vote in 2020 (i.e., they had the most fan votes), but were still not inducted. -Mike

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perspexorange		#28 Posted : 10 April 2023 13:28:06(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,375 Location: Salop Thanks: 503 times Was thanked: 3821 time(s) in 2373 post(s)		Yeah - I wondered this. Seem to remember hearing something like this a few years back. Tried to find evidence of this online when I saw the band were nominated, but couldn't see anything. I probably fluffed the search terms I should've used. Thanks for confirming this.

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GotBlueEyes		#29 Posted : 10 April 2023 23:32:26(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 25/09/2015(UTC) Posts: 339 Thanks: 151 times Was thanked: 626 time(s) in 338 post(s)		I have a theory that the the HoF organisation quite likes to induct bands with historic beef/contentious line-ups as a way to drum up publicity and attention for their otherwise meaningless organisation. So they get column inches over the will they/won't they story and potentially a one-off reconciliation if everyone agrees to play nice On that basis I think JD/NO tick all their boxes - certainly when you look at how dull the other nominees are this year

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Debaser		#30 Posted : 11 April 2023 04:16:15(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 03/06/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,117 Location: here n there Thanks: 526 times Was thanked: 3185 time(s) in 2138 post(s)		Originally Posted by: GotBlueEyes I have a theory that the the HoF organisation quite likes to induct bands with historic beef/contentious line-ups as a way to drum up publicity and attention for their otherwise meaningless organisation. So they get column inches over the will they/won't they story and potentially a one-off reconciliation if everyone agrees to play nice On that basis I think JD/NO tick all their boxes - certainly when you look at how dull the other nominees are this year Ha ha! I don't know if you're right but I like this post anyway! (Well you are right about the "meaningless" stuff and the dull stuff.) Hooky is the only one who has been banging on about this on social media, encouraging people to vote. The others have said nothing. Even if they get nominated, I bet the others would say: nah we're busy, we'll do a video thing and Hooky can go if he wants.

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Andy		#31 Posted : 20 April 2023 09:34:32(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Seaside, California Thanks: 1652 times Was thanked: 3329 time(s) in 2236 post(s)		Interesting article on the process by a journalist who also happens to be a Rock Hall voter. He gives his reasons (some strategic) for why each of this year's nominees get his vote or not. Spoiler alert, he didn't vote for JD/NO (he rightfully believes they deserve seperate inductions and he is fairly certain they're going to get in without his vote anyway). Uproxx.com
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Andy		#32 Posted : 25 April 2023 00:29:55(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Seaside, California Thanks: 1652 times Was thanked: 3329 time(s) in 2236 post(s)		JD/NO now overtaken by Sheryl Crow.
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Andy		#33 Posted : 03 May 2023 04:51:41(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Seaside, California Thanks: 1652 times Was thanked: 3329 time(s) in 2236 post(s)		Denial: Vulture.com
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perspexorange		#34 Posted : 03 May 2023 07:08:02(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,375 Location: Salop Thanks: 503 times Was thanked: 3821 time(s) in 2373 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Andy Denial: Vulture.com Ah well. At least Sheryl Crow, with her 'pioneering' blend (bland?) of AoR, got in. A true visionary. The Pistols were right. It is a piss-stain. Edited by user 03 May 2023 07:10:06(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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Ken Doherty		#35 Posted : 06 May 2023 07:40:31(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 31/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 313 Location: London Thanks: 114 times Was thanked: 383 time(s) in 313 post(s)		I voted three or four times (mainly because The Lights Facebook and Instagram fees kept posting about it on a daily basis) but the fact that George Michael and Sheryl Crow got in says it all about just how 'rock' this is: last time I voted, Missy Elliott was near the bottom of the votes cast so I'm thinking since then someone was paid to bombard the site with 'bots, but as I'm never likely to even be in the same state as the Hall of Fame let alone go in to see whats in there I think I can let this one go. I'm sure they will be nominated again at some point so the dream of a Hooky and New Order reunion lives on... Edited by user 07 May 2023 07:33:54(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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50poundnote		#36 Posted : 06 May 2023 12:43:59(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Movement Groups: Registered Joined: 29/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 550 Thanks: 39 times Was thanked: 1065 time(s) in 551 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Ken Doherty last time I voted, Missy Elliott was near the bottom of the votes cast so I'm thinking since then someone was paid to bombard the site with 'bots The fan vote collectively counts as one vote for the winner, alongside all the official votes from HOF voters. All of the nominees were eligible for the fan vote, and a certain number of them were going to get voted in regardless of their fan vote total. Missy may have been near the bottom, but it's the official voters who put her in. I'm surprised JD/NO didn't get in, but I think they will. This was Kate Bush's fourth year as a nominee.
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Andy		#37 Posted : 06 May 2023 15:17:13(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Seaside, California Thanks: 1652 times Was thanked: 3329 time(s) in 2236 post(s)		Originally Posted by: 50poundnote Originally Posted by: Ken Doherty last time I voted, Missy Elliott was near the bottom of the votes cast so I'm thinking since then someone was paid to bombard the site with 'bots The fan vote collectively counts as one vote for the winner, alongside all the official votes from HOF voters. All of the nominees were eligible for the fan vote, and a certain number of them were going to get voted in regardless of their fan vote total. Missy may have been near the bottom, but it's the official voters who put her in. I'm surprised JD/NO didn't get in, but I think they will. This was Kate Bush's fourth year as a nominee. Yes, the Fan Vote is essentially just a promotion tool to try to get people engaged. I don't know how many Rock Hall voters there actually are, but it seems to me as though the votes could be easily manipulated to ensure there is a diverse group of inductees each year. They wouldn't want the class of 2023 to be all white guys/bands, for instance. I do believe, based on the Uproxx article in my earlier post, that the voters do tend put their vote towards a worthy artist that has multiple previous nominations over a first time nominee.
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50poundnote		#38 Posted : 06 May 2023 16:10:55(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Movement Groups: Registered Joined: 29/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 550 Thanks: 39 times Was thanked: 1065 time(s) in 551 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Andy Yes, the Fan Vote is essentially just a promotion tool to try to get people engaged. I don't know how many Rock Hall voters there actually are, but it seems to me as though the votes could be easily manipulated to ensure there is a diverse group of inductees each year. They wouldn't want the class of 2023 to be all white guys/bands, for instance. I do believe, based on the Uproxx article in my earlier post, that the voters do tend put their vote towards a worthy artist that has multiple previous nominations over a first time nominee. I know 3 voters personally. One of them will only vote for women. Another will only vote for underdogs he feels won't get the larger vote. Tom Morello of Rage Against The Machine is a voter, so his band was going to get in. It's all politics, just like anything else these days. I'm very happy Kate got in, and I will go back to ignoring the Hall until other artists I like make it. :)
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Rorschach		#39 Posted : 07 May 2023 02:35:31(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 25/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 268 Location: Salford Thanks: 610 times Was thanked: 394 time(s) in 266 post(s)		I don't feel any need for the band(s) to be regarded as worthy of a Hall of Fame or considered to be God-like Geniuses. My ears tell me all I need to know. (Plus the occasion bit of education from this place.)

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Andy		#40 Posted : 11 January 2024 11:00:28(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Seaside, California Thanks: 1652 times Was thanked: 3329 time(s) in 2236 post(s)		Still in the conversation: Vulture.com
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Andy		#41 Posted : 10 February 2024 11:51:01(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Seaside, California Thanks: 1652 times Was thanked: 3329 time(s) in 2236 post(s)		Not nominated this year
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50poundnote		#42 Posted : 11 February 2024 07:30:45(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Movement Groups: Registered Joined: 29/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 550 Thanks: 39 times Was thanked: 1065 time(s) in 551 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Andy Not nominated this year They will be again. I think there will need to be more of a shift toward the younger voters before they get in, though. This year's nominees aren't very exciting.
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Andy		#43 Posted : 11 February 2024 12:07:09(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,218 Location: Seaside, California Thanks: 1652 times Was thanked: 3329 time(s) in 2236 post(s)		Originally Posted by: 50poundnote Originally Posted by: Andy Not nominated this year They will be again. I think there will need to be more of a shift toward the younger voters before they get in, though. This year's nominees aren't very exciting. They're rightly trying to distance themselves from the statements Jann Wenner made last year. They're scaling back on groups of white guys. For those interested, here are this year's nominees: vote.rockhall.com
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perspexorange		#44 Posted : 12 February 2024 08:17:49(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 20/10/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,375 Location: Salop Thanks: 503 times Was thanked: 3821 time(s) in 2373 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Andy They're scaling back on groups of white guys. We are, after all, all that's evil and toxic in the world. If modern media (especially Hollywood) is to be believed.

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