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negative1		#51 Posted : 19 October 2018 09:41:20(UTC)
Rank: Member with Substance Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,184 Thanks: 926 times Was thanked: 1772 time(s) in 1186 post(s)		Originally Posted by: 50 Pound Note This was not unknown. When we did Recycle in 2009, both the full-length and 7" edits of the '86 remix (the version used in the film Pretty In Pink) were included with Shellshock. There are 5 variants of Thieves: Instrumental '86 7" Edit (Shellshock 7" B-side) 4:25 thanks, i'm looking back at your blog pages, and yes, i didn't record the times when you posted it. that last edit is your version right, and from the notes, all the vinyl versions clock in at 3:58: "Tracklisting: 1. Shellshock 2. Shellcock 3. Thieves Like Us Instrumental '86 4. Shellshock (7" Edit) 5. Thieves Like Us Instrumental '86 (7" Edit) 1 and 2 sourced from Factory UK 45RPM 12" single FAC 143 3 sourced from A&M Canada 45RPM 12" single SP-12174 4 sourced from Factory UK 45RPM 7" single FAC 143 5 edited from 3 Notes from the restorer: I initially created the full-length Shellshock by taking the Substance edit and putting back the edited-out portions from vinyl, carefully EQing it to match. While most people couldn't hear where the edits were, one person claimed to, so for this version, it's all from vinyl. I was hesitant do to this, for there is a very faint bit of pre-echo audible at the intro... but oh well. Annoyingly, the 7" version cannot be created from editing the other versions down. I say annoyingly because I spent a couple of hours working on it and was almost done, only to discover that there's a brief snippet at around the three-minute mark which isn't anywhere in the 12" or dub versions." later -1 Edited by user 19 October 2018 09:57:14(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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Mr Discography		#52 Posted : 19 October 2018 15:21:27(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 20/05/2012(UTC) Posts: 390 Thanks: 11 times Was thanked: 749 time(s) in 391 post(s)		Originally Posted by: 50 Pound Note This was not unknown. When we did Recycle in 2009, both the full-length and 7" edits of the '86 remix (the version used in the film Pretty In Pink) were included with Shellshock. There are 5 variants of Thieves: Original (12" single A-side) 6:38 7" Promo Edit 3:57 Instrumental (Murder single B-side) 6:58 Instrumental '86 (Shellshock 12" B-side) 6:38 Instrumental '86 7" Edit (Shellshock 7" B-side) 4:25 There's also an alternate version of the 12" mix. Have a listen to the "And it cuts your life like a broken knife" line at 5:29 on 'Substance' and the original 12", then compare it to the 'The Best Of' and 'Power, Corruption & Lies (Collector's Edition)' versions - there's an echo/repeat of "knife". Guess this was an alternate mixdown made at the time the original 12" was made, which accidentally got remastered erroneously for these release. nevertheless, it adds an additional version of the track to the list. Andy

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Fotzepolitic		#53 Posted : 19 October 2018 16:23:18(UTC)
Rank: Dead Soul Groups: Registered Joined: 02/08/2014(UTC) Posts: 2,655 Location: Down on the farm Thanks: 676 times Was thanked: 3733 time(s) in 2656 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Originally Posted by: 50 Pound Note This was not unknown. When we did Recycle in 2009, both the full-length and 7" edits of the '86 remix (the version used in the film Pretty In Pink) were included with Shellshock. There are 5 variants of Thieves: Original (12" single A-side) 6:38 7" Promo Edit 3:57 Instrumental (Murder single B-side) 6:58 Instrumental '86 (Shellshock 12" B-side) 6:38 Instrumental '86 7" Edit (Shellshock 7" B-side) 4:25 There's also an alternate version of the 12" mix. Have a listen to the "And it cuts your life like a broken knife" line at 5:29 on 'Substance' and the original 12", then compare it to the 'The Best Of' and 'Power, Corruption & Lies (Collector's Edition)' versions - there's an echo/repeat of "knife". Guess this was an alternate mixdown made at the time the original 12" was made, which accidentally got remastered erroneously for these release. nevertheless, it adds an additional version of the track to the list. Andy This rings a bell.At some point i've heard Thieves and the "broken knife (knife)" has registered as oh i never noticed the "knife" echo/repeat before but i had just put it down to my ears and mind hearing the "knife" twice, like i imagined it or something.

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Johnny James		#54 Posted : 20 October 2018 03:34:08(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 29/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 450 Location: UK Was thanked: 1036 time(s) in 450 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Originally Posted by: 50 Pound Note This was not unknown. When we did Recycle in 2009, both the full-length and 7" edits of the '86 remix (the version used in the film Pretty In Pink) were included with Shellshock. There are 5 variants of Thieves: Original (12" single A-side) 6:38 7" Promo Edit 3:57 Instrumental (Murder single B-side) 6:58 Instrumental '86 (Shellshock 12" B-side) 6:38 Instrumental '86 7" Edit (Shellshock 7" B-side) 4:25 There's also an alternate version of the 12" mix. Have a listen to the "And it cuts your life like a broken knife" line at 5:29 on 'Substance' and the original 12", then compare it to the 'The Best Of' and 'Power, Corruption & Lies (Collector's Edition)' versions - there's an echo/repeat of "knife". Guess this was an alternate mixdown made at the time the original 12" was made, which accidentally got remastered erroneously for these release. nevertheless, it adds an additional version of the track to the list. Andy That's a bad vocal drop in rather than a completely different take. Rest of and the Collector's Edition used a source taken from the studio master rather than the fixed production master. Edited by user 20 October 2018 04:32:34(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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negative1		#55 Posted : 19 April 2019 11:23:07(UTC)
Rank: Member with Substance Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,184 Thanks: 926 times Was thanked: 1772 time(s) in 1186 post(s)		updated list with times from : movement deluxe from discogs Code: CD1-1 Dreams Never End 3:15 CD1-2 Truth 4:40 CD1-3 Senses 4:47 CD1-4 Chosen Time 4:08 CD1-5 ICB 4:34 CD1-6 The Him 5:31 CD1-7 Doubts Even Here 4:20 CD1-8 Denial 4:24 Extras CD2-1 Dreams Never End (Western Works Demo, Sept 1980) 3:41 CD2-2 Homage (Western Works Demo, Sept 1980) 4:14 CD2-3 Ceremony (Western Works Demo, Sept 1980) 4:38 CD2-4 Truth (Western Works Demo, Sept 1980) 5:27 CD2-5 Are You Ready For This? (Western Works Demo, Sept 1980) 2:50 CD2-6 The Him (Cargo Demo, 1981) 4:53 CD2-7 Senses (Cargo Demo, 1981) 4:10 CD2-8 Truth (Cargo Demo, 1981) 4:39 CD2-9 Dreams Never End (Cargo Demo, 1981) 3:24 CD2-10 Mesh (Cargo Demo, 1981) 3:12 CD2-11 ICB (Cargo Demo, 1981) 4:40 CD2-12 Procession (Cargo Demo, 1981) 3:46 CD2-13 Cries And Whispers (Cargo Demo, 1981) 2:49 CD2-14 Doubts Even Here (Cargo Demo, 1981) 5:09 CD2-15 Ceremony (1st Mix - Ceremony Sessions, 1980) 4:20 CD2-16 Temptation (Alternative 7" Mix, 1982) 5:25 CD2-17 Procession (Rehearsal Recording, 1980) 3:42 CD2-18 Chosen Time (Rehearsal Recording, 1981) 4:40 Peppermint Lounge, NY 1981 DVD-1 In A Lonely Place 5:56 DVD-2 Dreams Never End 3:38 DVD-3 Chosen Time 4:07 DVD-4 ICB 5:12 DVD-5 Senses 5:00 DVD-6 Denial 5:07 DVD-7 Everything's Gone Green 6:09 DVD-8 Hurt (Instrumental) 5:27 DVD-9 Temptation 10:22 Hurrah's, NY 1980 DVD-10 Untitled 0:21 DVD-11 In A Lonely Place 5:06 DVD-12 Procession 3:38 DVD-13 Dreams Never End 3:51 DVD-14 Mesh 4:04 DVD-15 Truth 5:50 DVD-16 Cries & Whispers 3:27 DVD-17 Ceremony 5:08 Granada Studios, Mcr 1981 DVD-18 Doubts Even Here 4:10 DVD-19 The Him 6:29 DVD-20 Procession 4:08 DVD-21 Senses 5:12 DVD-22 Denial 6:34 BBC Riverside, London 1982 DVD-23 Temptation 4:35 DVD-24 Chosen Time 3:45 DVD-25 Procession 4:04 DVD-26 Hurt (Instrumental) 4:09 DVD-27 Senses 4:23 DVD-28 Denial 5:17 DVD-29 In A Lonely Place 5:36 Extras DVD-30 Ceremony (ConManCHE Student Union, Mcr 1981) 4:34 DVD-31 In A Lonely Place (Masonic Temple, Toronto 1981) 5:21 DVD-32 Temptation (Soul Kitchen, Newcastle 1982) 7:20 DVD-33 Hurt (Le Palace, Paris 1982) 6:50 DVD-34 Procession (Le Palace, Paris 1982) 3:43 DVD-35 Chosen Time (Pennies, Northwich 1982) 3:37 DVD-36 Truth (The Haçienda, Mcr 1983) 4:22 DVD-37 ICB (First Avenue, Minneapolis 1983) 5:10 later -1

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negative1		#56 Posted : 01 January 2020 23:03:32(UTC)
Rank: Member with Substance Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,184 Thanks: 926 times Was thanked: 1772 time(s) in 1186 post(s)		happy new year, more updates: updates : + movement deluxe boxset DVD times + waiting for the sirens call album vinyl format + glasgow live CD/DVD times + bestival live times + troxy live times + mif live times + confusion 90 digital mixes times later -1

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negative1		#57 Posted : 08 September 2020 02:12:19(UTC)
Rank: Member with Substance Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,184 Thanks: 926 times Was thanked: 1772 time(s) in 1186 post(s)		added : be a rebel (single) New Order ‎– Be A Rebel Label: Mute ‎– I1MUTE 619 Format: 2 × File, FLAC, Single, 48kHz/24-bit Country: Europe Released: 08 Sep 2020 Genre: Electronic, Rock Style: Pop Rock, Synth-pop Tracklist 1 Be A Rebel 4:48 2 Be A Rebel (Edit) 3:35 Total Time: 8:23 later -1

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negative1		#58 Posted : 06 February 2022 15:13:14(UTC)
Rank: Member with Substance Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,184 Thanks: 926 times Was thanked: 1772 time(s) in 1186 post(s)		_new_order_songography__v1.22_____02_22_22_ updates : + be a rebel digital single, remixes + education entertainment recreation + 433 + cd for true dub, and confusion mixes + time for someone like you (funk d'void remix)(no guitar solo & less) + made all song titles lowercase consistent later -1

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Mr Discography		#59 Posted : 08 February 2022 14:44:52(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 20/05/2012(UTC) Posts: 390 Thanks: 11 times Was thanked: 749 time(s) in 391 post(s)		Originally Posted by: negative1 Code: be a rebel (bernards renegade mix) 6:25 v, cd be a rebel (bernards renegade mix2) 6:25 dig be a rebel (bernards renegade inst mix) 6:18 v, cd be a rebel (bernards renegade inst mix2) 6:18 dig Your timings and formats are out for these mixes. I assume the versions you refer to as "mix2" are the second attempt Barney had at his Renegade Mixes - identifiable by the "Hooky" bass riff about halfway through both versions (vocal and instrumental)? These versions appear on the digital and CD single releases and your timings are correct. The original Renegade Mixes (without "Hooky") however, only appeared on the 12", and are both a little longer - each with slightly longer intros just before the first verse: Renegade Mix: 6:33 Renegade Instrumental: 6:32 Timings are from my digitised vinyl grabs made with a Technics 1210 into my laptop. Hope that's helpful. Andy Edited by user 09 February 2022 05:14:47(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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negative1		#60 Posted : 10 February 2022 09:42:46(UTC)
Rank: Member with Substance Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,184 Thanks: 926 times Was thanked: 1772 time(s) in 1186 post(s)		Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Your timings and formats are out for these mixes. I assume the versions you refer to as "mix2" are the second attempt Barney had at his Renegade Mixes - identifiable by the "Hooky" bass riff about halfway through both versions (vocal and instrumental)? These versions appear on the digital and CD single releases and your timings are correct. The original Renegade Mixes (without "Hooky") however, only appeared on the 12", and are both a little longer - each with slightly longer intros just before the first verse: Renegade Mix: 6:33 Renegade Instrumental: 6:32 Timings are from my digitised vinyl grabs made with a Technics 1210 into my laptop. Hope that's helpful. Andy thanks andy for clearing that up, i made a note of it when the differences were first noted, but haven't gone back to check it. also, i left out the 2 ivan ivan edits of the perfect kiss: missed the kiss of death edit at : 3:01 also. 7": UK 1985 (Factory FAC 123) 3:51 The Perfect Kiss (edit) 3:01 Kiss of Death (edit) originally on the niagara.edu site those times were blank, so i always assumed they were the same as the other edits. come to think of it, i don't know if i've ever transferred them over from vinyl. later -1

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depthcharge		#61 Posted : 19 February 2022 00:39:42(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Republic Groups: Registered Joined: 16/02/2013(UTC) Posts: 194 Location: Australia Thanks: 11 times Was thanked: 325 time(s) in 195 post(s)		Originally Posted by: negative1 Originally Posted by: Mr Discography Your timings and formats are out for these mixes. I assume the versions you refer to as "mix2" are the second attempt Barney had at his Renegade Mixes - identifiable by the "Hooky" bass riff about halfway through both versions (vocal and instrumental)? These versions appear on the digital and CD single releases and your timings are correct. The original Renegade Mixes (without "Hooky") however, only appeared on the 12", and are both a little longer - each with slightly longer intros just before the first verse: Renegade Mix: 6:33 Renegade Instrumental: 6:32 Timings are from my digitised vinyl grabs made with a Technics 1210 into my laptop. Hope that's helpful. Andy thanks andy for clearing that up, i made a note of it when the differences were first noted, but haven't gone back to check it. later -1 Think you're still short a few variations of Rebel. My record: Be A Rebel 4:48 12"; CD-R promo; CDS; DD Be A Rebel (Edit) 3:35 CD-R promo; CDS; DD Be A Rebel (Maceo Plex Remix) 6:56 2x12"; CDS; DD Be A Rebel (Maceo Plex Remix Edit) 5:27 [Stream/rip only - New Order YouTube] Be A Rebel (Paul Woolford Remix Edit) 4:07 DD Be A Rebel (Paul Woolford Remix New Order Edit) 6:41 2x12"; CDS; DD Be A Rebel (Bernard's Outlaw Mix) 6:41 2x12"; CDS; DD Be A Rebel (Renegade Spezial Edit) 3:09 2x12"; CDS; DD Be A Rebel (Renegade Spezial Edit - Adidas version) 1:35 [Stream/rip only - Adidas YouTube] Be A Rebel (Bernard’s Renegade Mix) 6:25 CDS; DD Be A Rebel (Bernard’s Renegade Mix) [12" version] 6:31 12" Be A Rebel (Bernard’s Renegade Instrumental Mix) 6:18 CDS; DD Be A Rebel (Bernard’s Renegade Instrumental Mix) [12" version] 6:31 12" Be A Rebel (Stephen’s T34 Mix) 5:25 12"; CDS; DD Be A Rebel (Mark Reeder's Dirty Devil Remix) 5:26 2x12"; CDS; DD Be A Rebel (Mark Reeder's Cheeky Devil Remix) 4:44 DD [Mark Reeder album exclusive] Be A Rebel (JakoJako Remix) 4:29 2x12"; CDS ; DD Be A Rebel (Melwati Remix) 5:17 2x12"; CDS ; DD Be A Rebel (Arthur Baker Remix) 8:07 2x12"; CDS ; DD Be A Rebel (Music Video Edit) 3:36 [Stream/rip only - New Order YouTube]

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negative1		#62 Posted : 03 February 2023 14:09:43(UTC)
Rank: Member with Substance Groups: Registered Joined: 24/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,184 Thanks: 926 times Was thanked: 1772 time(s) in 1186 post(s)		Will be updating the list once with the timings from the deluxe Low-life tracks. Code: Extras CD2-1 Love Vigilantes (TV Pitch Instrumental Edit) 6:14 CD2-2 The Perfect Kiss (Writing Session Recording) 3:17 CD2-3 Untitled No. 1 (Writing Session Recording) 1:30 CD2-4 Sunrise (Instrumental Rough Mix) 5:48 CD2-5 Elegia (Full Length Version) 17:30 CD2-6 Sooner Than You Think (Album Session Unedited Version) 6:24 CD2-7 Sub-Culture (Album Session Early Instrumental Version) 6:07 CD2-8 Face Up (Writing Session Recording) 3:34 CD2-9 Let's Go (Album Session Instrumental) 4:14 CD2-10 Untitled No. 2 (Writing Session Recording) 5:53 CD2-11 Sunrise (Writing Session Recording) 4:32 CD2-12 Love Vigilantes (Writing Session Recording) 4:18 CD2-13 Sooner Than You Think (Writing Session Recording) 3:04 CD2-14 Skullcrusher (Demo) 5:37 Live In Tokyo 1985 DVD1-1 Confusion 8:04 DVD1-2 Love Vigilantes 4:32 DVD1-3 We All Stand 4:46 DVD1-4 As It Is When It Was 4:55 DVD1-5 Sub-Culture 4:58 DVD1-6 Face Up 5:30 DVD1-7 Sunrise 7:12 DVD1-8 This Time Of Night 4:54 DVD1-9 Blue Monday 8:51 Live In Rotterdam 1985 DVD1-10 As It Is When It Was 4:09 DVD1-11 Everything's Gone Green 3:58 DVD1-12 Sub-Culture 5:00 DVD1-13 Ceremony 4:43 DVD1-14 Let's Go 4:21 DVD1-15 This Time Of Night 5:58 DVD1-16 The Village 5:07 DVD1-17 The Perfect Kiss 9:29 DVD1-18 Age Of Consent 4:59 DVD1-19 Sunrise 5:39 DVD1-20 Temptation 6:55 DVD1-21 Face Up 6:30 Live In Manchester 1985 DVD1-22 As It Is When It Was 3:48 DVD1-23 Sunrise 5:18 DVD1-24 Face Up 5:19 Live In Leuven 1985 DVD2-1 Let's Go 4:45 DVD2-2 The Perfect Kiss 9:13 DVD2-3 Age Of Consent 5:00 DVD2-4 State Of The Nation 6:29 DVD2-5 As It Is When It Was 3:50 DVD2-6 The Village 4:31 DVD2-7 Sub-Culture 5:14 DVD2-8 Atmosphere 4:42 DVD2-9 Blue Monday 8:03 Bonus Tracks DVD2-10 Thieves Like Us 6:20 DVD2-11 Temptation 7:24 DVD2-12 Confusion 5:39 Live In Toronto 1985 DVD2-13 Elegia 6:39 DVD2-14 Sub-Culture 5:05 DVD2-15 The Village 4:20 DVD2-16 Sunrise 5:06 DVD2-17 We All Stand 4:14 DVD2-18 As It Is When It Was 3:53 DVD2-19 Love Vigilantes 5:06 DVD2-20 586 5:48 DVD2-21 Age Of Consent 4:49 DVD2-22 Temptation 7:35 DVD2-23 Ceremony 5:51 DVD2-24 The Perfect Kiss 10:00 The Perfect Film DVD2-25 The Perfect Kiss 10:36 later -1 Edited by user 03 February 2023 14:10:41(UTC) \| Reason: Not specified

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GotBlueEyes		#63 Posted : 09 February 2023 06:43:29(UTC)
Rank: Member of the Brotherhood Groups: Registered Joined: 25/09/2015(UTC) Posts: 339 Thanks: 152 times Was thanked: 627 time(s) in 338 post(s)		Working through the listings in the back of Dennis's book and spotted this is missing from the Songography Singularity (Mark Reeder's Duality Remix Edit) 3:49 https://www.discogs.com/...76-New-Order-Singularity The full Duality Remix you have in the your list is 4:57 Also minor things noted The 1963 (4:21) version on Singles is an extended version of 1963-94 rather than a shortened edit of the original 1963 Guilt Is A Useless Emotion [Blueplate Vox Edit] 4:59 is the same mix/also known as the "MARK!'s True N.O. Vox Edit" see here https://www.discogs.com/...ion-DMD-Consumer-Version Also some of the promos refer to the True N.O Vox and True N.O Dub as the Blueplate mixes see here https://www.discogs.com/...-Useless-Emotion-Remixes

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